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Casino Queen prepares to build larger casino

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PostMar 29, 2005#1

<A HREF="http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... B5">Casino Queen prepares to build larger casino</A>

Doug Moore

Of the Post-Dispatch

03/28/2005



The Casino Queen plans to start construction this summer on a larger casino with more amenities to replace its riverboat before a competitor enters the market across the river on Laclede's Landing.



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PostMar 29, 2005#2

I would like the boat to stay. It's a shame they want to replace it. The new plan seems interesting, but I think it would have been nicer to find another use for the boat.

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PostMar 30, 2005#3

Xing wrote:I would like the boat to stay. It's a shame they want to replace it. The new plan seems interesting, but I think it would have been nicer to find another use for the boat.


I agree, makes the casino more unique, though its not as competitve as the Harrahs or Ameristar casinos. I prefer those two over the Queen and this new project still won't make me go there as its kinda far from where I live anyways. Wish they build a taller more luxurious hotel.

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PostOct 14, 2005#4

<A HREF="http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s ... BB3">Queen will be boat on moat</A>

By Doug Moore

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

10/13/2005




It's a good bet that the Casino Queen will become the first Illinois gaming boat to leave the river and dock in a man-made basin.



Building a new facility on land to replace the aging riverboat is essential if the Casino Queen is going to remain a viable player in the St. Louis market, Casino Queen President Charles W. Bidwill III said Thursday.



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PostOct 14, 2005#5

I just wish they would get rid of their huge sign directly across from the Arch. Casinos obviously desire dramatic visibility, but proximity to a national monument should cause some consideration for toning it down just a touch.

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PostOct 28, 2005#6

This vote took came from out of the blue, but I doubt it will pass the Senate.



>>Illinois House votes to shut down casinos



In a pointed reminder to Illinois' gambling industry about who really holds the cards, the Illinois House on Thursday overwhelmingly passed a measure calling for a complete shutdown of all casino riverboats in the state.



The threatened ban - dismissed as "ludicrous" by one gaming industry official - is unlikely to win final legislative approval because of the state tax dollars at stake. The 67-42 vote was engineered by powerful House Speaker Michael Madigan, D-Chicago, who virtually no one believes actually wants to see the boats outlawed.



Speculation swirled around the Capitol Thursday about Madigan's true intentions, with theories ranging from throwing an election-year bone to conservative Southern Illinois Democrats to firing a warning shot toward casino owners over future negotiations on tax rates and regulatory issues.



"We're going to assume the speaker does not want to blow a $700 million hole in the state budget," said Kent Redfield, political scientist at the University of Illinois at Springfield and an expert on legislative politics. "It has to be something involving a message" to the casino industry.



Among the more cynical theories is that lawmakers wanted to boost the level of the casinos' campaign contributions.



"This could just be their 'Christmas shakedown,'" speculated the Rev. Tom Grey, a northern Illinois-based national anti-gambling activist. Grey said he is nonetheless putting out national statements about "the first legislative body in the nation to ban gambling" after it had been legalized.



Illinois legalized casino gambling in 1990. The state's nine current casinos last year paid $700 million in taxes to the state, an additional $100 million to local host communities including East St. Louis and Alton, and employed 9,000 people, in addition to spinoff businesses and jobs. In House floor debate, pro-gaming legislators predicted economic disaster if the casinos are banned.



"Whether you like it or not, this is a legitimate industry," said state Rep. Dan Beiser, D-East Alton. He noted that Alton has used casino revenue to build two new fire stations and a police station, in addition to other public works.



The sponsor the bill, Rep. John Bradley, D-Marion, opened floor debate by insisting, "This is not a stunt ... this is not a gimmick." He argued that the economic benefits of the boats are more than offset by their social costs. "The state of Illinois doesn't get a nickel from a riverboat unless someone goes on that riverboat and loses that nickel."



Senate President Emil Jones, D-Chicago, called the measure "irresponsible," and he isn't expected to call the bill for a vote. But gambling proponents say it already has done damage. Stock prices in casino companies that do business in Illinois have dropped in the past two days, reportedly on speculation that the vote might be taken.



Tom Swoik, spokesman for the Illinois Casino Gaming Association, said the whole debate has fostered uncertainty about the future of gaming here that will make it hard to attract investors. He said it could have a direct effect on Penn National Gaming Inc., which owns the Argosy Casino at Alton but must sell it and a casino in Joliet by the end of 2006 as a condition of acquiring Argosy Gaming Inc.



"Who's going to bid on those casinos?" asked Swoik, in light of the bill passed Thursday.



Madigan said in a written statement after the vote that he backed the ban because "the current system is broke."



"A small group of people became millionaires ... but the people of Illinois have never received a fair return in exchange for these monopolies," Madigan wrote. The statement suggested that "we should go back to the drawing board and start over."



The bill is HB1920.

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PostFeb 22, 2006#7

Casino Queen hires Clayco to build new complex

By Doug Moore

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

Wednesday, Feb. 22 2006



EAST ST. LOUIS



The Casino Queen hired a contractor on Tuesday to build the state's first

land-based gaming facility, a gamble the boat operators say is worth it to

compete with the growing gaming business across the Mississippi River.



The Queen's board of directors hired Clayco Construction of Overland to build a

boat in a moat, which would actually be a 236,000-square-foot building atop a

barge sitting in water about 10 feet deep. The facility is the first in

Illinois not actually located on a river; in fact, it will be located 686 feet

from the Mississippi. State legislators last year granted the Casino Queen a

special exemption to build off the river.



Work on the facility is expected to begin in April and take about 16 months.




The Queen expects the $150 million move to be a big payoff.



"We will have the best casino in the Midwest, bar none," said Casino Queen

spokesman Ron O'Connor. He said the Queen had received Illinois Gaming Board

approval for the expansion.



Bob Clark, chairman and CEO of Clayco, referred questions to O'Connor.



The Casino Queen docked on the eastern bank of the Mississippi River across

from the Gateway Arch in 1993, bringing millions of dollars into this

beleaguered community of just more than 30,000. The $10 million a year that

East St. Louis receives from the boat represents half the city's operating

budget. The new facility is expected to pump in another $1 million to $1.5

million a year in gambling taxes for East St. Louis.



The city has agreed to pay up to $11 million for the project. However, the

Queen would not get any city money until the new casino is built. The city's

contribution will come from a bond sale. Increased property tax revenue created

by the new casino will pay for the interest on the bonds.




While the location has served the Casino Queen well, the vessel is not ideal

for gambling, say boat and city officials.



"It's really outgrown itself. It's outdated," said Councilwoman Karen Cason.

Even so, business is good, she said.



"Imagine what will happen when the new one is built," Cason said. "It's going

to probably be the best one in the area. Definitely the newest." (No sh*t.)



The Casino Queen is considerably smaller than land-based casinos in Missouri,

notably Harrah's in Maryland Heights and Ameristar in St. Charles, which

consistently lead the pack in winnings. The Queen ranks third in winnings, with

The Argosy Casino-Alton and President Casino on the Admiral following.



The gambling area at the Casino Queen will grow to 40,000 square feet from

27,000 square feet. A steakhouse and buffet restaurant also are planned.

Ameristar's casino has 130,000 square feet of gambling space; Harrah's comes in

at 120,000 square feet.




The three levels of the Casino Queen make it almost impossible for boat

operators to provide a truly smoke-free area, O'Connor said. Gamblers also have

to navigate a large tunnel that runs under railroad tracks, a floodwall and

Front Street from the parking lot to the boat.

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PostApr 13, 2006#8

It does seem Queen will go the way of all area casinos

By Martin Van Der Werf

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

04/13/2006



The Casino Queen, the last independently-owned casino in the area, is for sale, say numerous sources tied to the local gaming industry.



Several potential buyers have looked at the East St. Louis gambling boat. Among them is Columbia Sussex Corp., says a lawyer who has worked with the company in the past. Columbia Sussex was the top bidder for the President Casino on the Admiral, but then backed away from the deal when it appeared its license application would not be approved by the Missouri Gaming Commission.



Local developer Jim Koman, who sits on the Casino Queen board, said he could not confirm that the casino is on the block, but he complained that Illinois gaming regulations are hurting the casino's competitiveness. "We need more gambling positions," he said.



He referred further questions to casino President Charlie Bidwill, who did not respond to several calls seeking comment.



Casino spokesman Ron



O'Connor said the casino, which is owned by five families, has been the object of sales speculation for years. Many of the rumors have involved one or some of the families buying out the others. He said, however, that the casino is not for sale.



The sales speculation is being fueled by the $400 million casino being built by Pinnacle Entertainment on Laclede's Landing, directly across the Mississippi River. The Casino Queen has been planning a new $150 million building atop a barge in a moat to replace the current riverboat. However, the groundbreaking, which had been set for last week, was canceled. Koman said the delay resulted from a last-minute switch in architects.

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PostApr 13, 2006#9

"Columbia Sussex Corp.,"



Them again?

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PostMay 19, 2006#10

Looks like Columbia Sussex is back!



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PostMay 19, 2006#11

IDEA: we already have 2 big casinos nearly directly across from each other -- lets get them to combine together to help downtown - offering METRO passes to people who stay downtown to go to the Queen and Vis versa about people staying at the Queen hotel. Also a water taxi from the Pinnacle development to the Queen would be awesome. A cool visual show of some sort <like> would be awesome - and if you could extend the hours of the arch - would give people a reason to look out the East Facing windows.....

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PostMay 21, 2006#12

I always liked the idea of water taxis. I think they're part of the riverfront project.

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PostMay 26, 2006#13

New Casino Queen in East St. Louis Breaks Ground

created: 5/25/2006 4:04:31 PM

updated: 5/25/2006 7:01:14 PM



By Kelly Jackson




KSDK-Around this time next year, the Casino Queen in East St. Louis will be moved inland to a new site and bigger digs. And pending approval from the gaming board, the casino will also have new owners.



Regional leaders posed for the cameras and, with shovels in hand, broke ground for a new Casino Queen in East St. Louis.



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PostJun 11, 2007#14

New casino is due to open in August.



New Casino Queen taking shape

Gaming floor floats on inches of water

BY SCOTT WUERZ

News-Democrat





A tour of the rapidly coming together new Casino Queen revealed all the things that attract gamblers -- hundreds of gaming stations, a variety of restaurants, bars and entertainment venues.



But one thing that you can't see in the $90 million first phase of a $160 million construction project is any sign of something that resembles either a boat or a moat.



"The walls and the structure of the building are built on land," said Ryan Taylor, senior project manager for Casino Queen builder Clayco Construction. "But state law requires that the gaming floor be floating. So the floor is actually on top of something like a large swimming pool, floating on about 12 inches of water."



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PostJun 11, 2007#15

"But state law requires that the gaming floor be floating. So the floor is actually on top of something like a large swimming pool, floating on about 12 inches of water."


This continues to amaze me - it's just so fantastically stupid. :bash:

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PostJun 26, 2007#16

Charlie Brennen had a whole hour (maybe more) devoted to the mississippi riverfront this morning. He stated that we were ranked dead last in some ranking of US riverfronts. His main focus was how we allow the Casino Queen to expand and put the butt (ugly) end of their building facing the arch. "where is the regionalism?" he said How are we supossed to sell new apts/lofts overlooking the river when we allow butt ends of buildings with no plans for landscaping to grace our east riverfront?

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PostJun 26, 2007#17

well - thats Illinois. How much influence do "we" have on their plans.

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PostJun 28, 2007#18

bpe235 wrote:Charlie Brennen had a whole hour (maybe more) devoted to the mississippi riverfront this morning. He stated that we were ranked dead last in some ranking of US riverfronts. His main focus was how we allow the Casino Queen to expand and put the butt (ugly) end of their building facing the arch. "where is the regionalism?" he said How are we supossed to sell new apts/lofts overlooking the river when we allow butt ends of buildings with no plans for landscaping to grace our east riverfront?
Is the ass end of the building even going to be visible behind the hotel?

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PostJun 28, 2007#19

yup

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PostJun 29, 2007#20

Casino Queen prepares to build larger casino

Doug Moore

Of the Post-Dispatch

03/28/2005

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The Casino Queen plans to start construction this summer on a larger casino with more amenities to replace its riverboat before a competitor enters the market across the river on Laclede's Landing.


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PostJun 29, 2007#21

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"But state law requires that the gaming floor be floating. So the floor is actually on top of something like a large swimming pool, floating on about 12 inches of water."


This continues to amaze me - it's just so fantastically stupid. :bash:


No kidding. Just change the damn law already to allow land-based casinos already!



Even Cousin Eddie isn't fooled by the faux riverboat atmosphere anymore. :roll:

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PostJun 29, 2007#22

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Grover wrote:
"But state law requires that the gaming floor be floating. So the floor is actually on top of something like a large swimming pool, floating on about 12 inches of water."


This continues to amaze me - it's just so fantastically stupid. :bash:


No kidding. Just change the damn law already to allow land-based casinos already!



Even Cousin Eddie isn't fooled by the faux riverboat atmosphere anymore. :roll:


It limits where you can put a casino: so many yards within a river/body of water. That way you couldn't drop a casino in Ellisville at the corner of Manchester & Clarkson.

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PostJun 29, 2007#23

dweebe wrote:It limits where you can put a casino: so many yards within a river/body of water.


True. The requirement that a casino must "float" still seems ridiculous since the idea of casinos cruising the rivers is a distant memory. It seems like the state could place strict limits on where casinos locate without requiring boats in a moat.


That way you couldn't drop a casino in Ellisville at the corner of Manchester & Clarkson.


That would make Ellisville a whooooole lot more interesting. 8)

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PostJun 30, 2007#24

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True. The requirement that a casino must "float" still seems ridiculous since the idea of casinos cruising the rivers is a distant memory.


I agree. They might as well allow them on land, and save everyone the expenses.

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PostJul 01, 2007#25

bpe235 wrote:Charlie Brennen had a whole hour (maybe more) devoted to the mississippi riverfront this morning. He stated that we were ranked dead last in some ranking of US riverfronts. His main focus was how we allow the Casino Queen to expand and put the butt (ugly) end of their building facing the arch. "where is the regionalism?" he said How are we supossed to sell new apts/lofts overlooking the river when we allow butt ends of buildings with no plans for landscaping to grace our east riverfront?


I can think of much worse things to look at on the east riverfront. Granted, the Queen isn't great, but there's a lot to clean up before that.

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