Being, as I am, a strong pro-city person, and Clayton, being, as it is, a progressive suburb sucking business away from downtown, I am never really delighted to see a Clayton project surface. No offense to Claytonians, since Clayton is only understandably pursuing its own interests, but I just wish that all of these residential towers would start being built downtown. Even Clayton could benefit from a vital downtown, in my opinion, and could be seen as St. Louis's true "second skyline" and not its "new downtown."
Clayton will probably see decline as well, as I've already heard its restaurants are slumping. It just seems to me regional cooperation would benefit both areas. Along those lines, you'll notice no one complains about bustling Old Webster as competition for retail in the City because Old Webster had filled its own niche and is seen as a St. Louis area attraction. It always appears to me that Clayton is less an attraction of the area than it is a distraction from the City. It invites suspicions of a dead downtown to outsiders. But...since I'm drifting into grounds of bashing, I will stop...and I will admit, I like the design of the building, minus the obligatory shiny glass.
Matt Drops The H wrote:Being, as I am, a strong pro-city person, and Clayton, being, as it is, a progressive suburb sucking business away from downtown, I am never really delighted to see a Clayton project surface. No offense to Claytonians, since Clayton is only understandably pursuing its own interests, but I just wish that all of these residential towers would start being built downtown. Even Clayton could benefit from a vital downtown, in my opinion, and could be seen as St. Louis's true "second skyline" and not its "new downtown."
Clayton will probably see decline as well, as I've already heard its restaurants are slumping. It just seems to me regional cooperation would benefit both areas. Along those lines, you'll notice no one complains about bustling Old Webster as competition for retail in the City because Old Webster had filled its own niche and is seen as a St. Louis area attraction. It always appears to me that Clayton is less an attraction of the area than it is a distraction from the City. It invites suspicions of a dead downtown to outsiders. But...since I'm drifting into grounds of bashing, I will stop...and I will admit, I like the design of the building, minus the obligatory shiny glass.
I think this is one of the most attractive high rise projects in recent years in the St. Louis area. Hope to see more of this kind of excellent design in Clayton as well as the city. Imagine a string of such well designed structures from downtown St. Louis to downtown Clayton...wouldn't that be great?
It looks like the St. Louis Manhattan is worth it's salt starting with 3 billion dollars of development in Downtown STL, Midtown gearing up, the Central West End building boom, the Loop expansion, and Clayton showing off as usual. Why blast Clayton when it could be considered the western extent of our highrise district.
Clayton needs to be seen as apart of the City's Central corridor and not separate.
I have to disagree with Marmar. Based on the renderings, I think this building is pretty ugly. But, I hold out hope that it will look better in real life.
But I agree with SMS - Clayton IS part of our central corridor. And really, its one hell of an impressive corridor. Its the backbone of St. Louis. Picture it all built up in another 10 years, from the Arch to Clayton, one big, happy, URBAN area!
Looks like this building is only a few months away from completion. The problem I have with it is that if you look at Clayton's skyline from the West (looking East) this building, the Ruth's Chris building, and that other brown brick building on the corner of Maryland & Forsyth all look the same. It is not an impressive skyline by any means.
If there is one problem I have with Clayton it is that their buildings are all too similar to each other. Yuck.
St.Louis UAB alumni wrote:Looks like this building is only a few months away from completion. The problem I have with it is that if you look at Clayton's skyline from the West (looking East) this building, the Ruth's Chris building, and that other brown brick building on the corner of Maryland & Forsyth all look the same. It is not an impressive skyline by any means.
If there is one problem I have with Clayton it is that their buildings are all too similar to each other. Yuck.
that's the same thing I was thinking when I was driving down Brentwood the other day...same brown brick buildings...where's the variety?
I really like this building the more I look at it. I wish it was in the West End though. MattdroptheH, I totally agree with your comments about Clayton sucking the life from downtown. While before I was always exicted about new density in Clayton, and I suppose I still am, it does seem that it comes at the expense of the city. In the end though the more comsmopolitian, urban, types will move to the CWE or downtown. Clayton will always be, well, more suburban even with its heinous highrises.
Clayton isn't sucking the life from downtown...it's the people that want to live in Clayton that are "sucking the life from downtown". It's all about demand. Some people just don't want to live downtown, it's that simple. Others don't want to live in the suburbs but want to live close to the urban areas so they pick places like Clayton and the CWE. Just about every major city I have been to has an upscale area with highrise living that is close to their downtown:
-Atlanta: Buckhead
-Dallas: Highland Park, Turtle Creek, Uptown
-Houston: can't remember the area but I was impressed by the condo buildings
I'm fine with Clayton. At least these condo towers aren't going up in South County or in Chesterfield. Besides, last time I checked there was PLENTY of downtown residential projects going on. Downtown doesn't appear to be in a world of hurt in that area.
I love the false advertising of showing off a vibrant red cladding with nice blue windows. The horrible brown, architecture-less facade of pre-fabricated brick sections is about as poor as you can get. This is yet another highly flaunted high-rise that goes up, sells its units for full price, but five years later they can't get half of that on the resale market.
Great, a high-rise. I'm happy that they're building it. But it's just as forgetable as every other building in clayton. The only building that could have promise is the Centene Corp. They have GOT to stop using brick with such horrifiying monotony in all of the buildings they've got going up everywhere!
I disagree. I like this building. and while most of us in here would prefer it to be on Kingshigway or elsewhere in the city, it's a good addition to Clayton. It's different, it's modern and there is NOTHING else like it in st louis. I think highrises that are built today are superior to years past. Look at the Dorchester (even though I'm a huge fan) it looks like it could have been a Pruitt Igo building, The Towne House, ANY building on Hanley older than 10 years, Fontenac, Montclair. So many of these were more anattractive to the one's built today. At the same time, I along with most in here, am a huge fan of any highrise in st louis. Back to the MW, I think it looks like something out of Seattle for some reason. And the "brick" itself it unique, and not faux brick panel/ sheets like we see on the ballpark.
It definitely say Clayton and Post-Modern with its scale and mix of brick and windows making a flat plane as opposed to the historically set back windows. It looks like the top must be a cool rooftop common area with maybe a pool or lounging terrace?
I wonder what the view is towards University City since the Downtown STL view is probably no different than the other high rises?
I agree Framer, I saw the renderings and I was like "Really?" Typical Clayton stuff as always...It's kinda growing on me - I saw it about a week ago and it looks much better in person!
found this brochure when I was cleaning out grandma's house. Looks like this is what was proposed prior to Maryland Walk and thought I would share. Sorry the photos are upside down. I can't seem to fix that on my mobile.
tb1000 wrote:Clayton isn't sucking the life from downtown...it's the people that want to live in Clayton that are "sucking the life from downtown". It's all about demand. Some people just don't want to live downtown, it's that simple. Others don't want to live in the suburbs but want to live close to the urban areas so they pick places like Clayton and the CWE. Just about every major city I have been to has an upscale area with highrise living that is close to their downtown:
-Atlanta: Buckhead
-Dallas: Highland Park, Turtle Creek, Uptown
-Houston: can't remember the area but I was impressed by the condo buildings
I'm fine with Clayton. At least these condo towers aren't going up in South County or in Chesterfield. Besides, last time I checked there was PLENTY of downtown residential projects going on. Downtown doesn't appear to be in a world of hurt in that area.
Yes, every American city has it's "midtown" and 'favored sector edge city.' It's the just the relative importance of each within a metro that matters.
Whoa. Crazy. Thanks for sharing. I had no idea that was ever proposed. Good thing Maryland Towers was replaced by Maryland Walk. The design in the brochure is somewhat reminiscent of the Opus CWE project going up, although with a much worse relation to the street.