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Hydraulic Brick Lofts - 3109 South Jefferson

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PostDec 08, 2004#1

This is an older project that was announced in late 2003 and was supposed to break ground Summer 2004. It now looks like constuction on phase one is set to begin Spring 2005. "The Fleurs-de-Lis at Benton Park" is phase one, and will be constructed on the southwest corner of South Jefferson Avenue and Arsenal Street (<A HREF="http://maps.yahoo.com//maps_result?csz= ... ag=9">3109 South Jefferson</A>). Phase one is pictured in the rendering below and will include commercial and residential (six condominiums).



Phase two will be called "The Homes at Fleurs-de-Lis" and will consist of five to six large single-family homes (3,000+ square feet). The homes are expected to sell between $400,000 and $500,000. Also pictured below.







PostJun 04, 2005#2

It looks like the Fleur-de-Lis at Benton Park is finally underway. This commercial and residential development is at the southwest corner of Jefferson Avenue and Arsenal Street. I found this posted over at backpage.com


BENTON PARK, Starting at $85,000, 314-772-9200 The Fleurs-de-Lis - PRE-SELLING Condos & Commercial Space. Ranging from $85,000-$400,000 - Homer for Outstanding Site Plan. Call Claire Vogt, Millennium Restoration
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PostJun 05, 2005#3

Good news, but isn't it about time for some modern-looking infill? I mean, isn't replicating the old getting a little boring? Why don't developers in this city understand that diversity is what makes the city interesting?
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PostJun 05, 2005#4

While I definately agree that we need modern infill, it looks like the developers for once aren't going to completely screw up the design. So in this case, I think it will work out.
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PostJun 06, 2005#5

I think that considering the context, a historic replica will work well. This project should be great for Benton Park, and Benton Park West in particular.
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PostJun 06, 2005#6

I would think that any neighborhood would be proud to have this building on their corner.
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PostJun 06, 2005#7

I actually think the design of the condos looks great. I'll bet the homes will be nice too at $400k - $500k.



On a funny side note, I kind of did a double-take when I saw this post. There is a building being rehabbed one block from my place in Chicago called...



The Fleur-de-Lis!

http://www.4801winthrop.com/
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PostJun 07, 2005#8

St. Louis has its own style and I'm proud that people still want to build in that fasion. Modern stuff is cool too, but for the 'meat' of the neighborhood rebuilding I think it's important to keep the dense, dark brick buildings that are St. Louis. Its a beutiful building, regardless of style. At least its right on the street, not setback.
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PostJun 07, 2005#9

I disagree, the neighborhoods when built were modern. We continue to do a great disservice by not pushing the envelope architecturally. It's one more sign of our conservatism.
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PostJun 07, 2005#10

Actually, they weren't modern when they were built. Most of the architecture throughtout residential neighborhoods are expamples of French Revival, Romanesque Revival, Greek Revival, Gothic Revival etc... This revival phoenomenon built the beutiful neighborhoods we see today, wth history in mind. Everyone thinks Soulard was built by the French becuase of its French style, but the fact is that it was designed to tribute the French heritage that had dissapeared by the mid-late 1800's.
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PostAug 03, 2005#11

This is from an August 3rd entry on mayorslay.com titled <A HREF="http://www.mayorslay.com/desk/default.a ... Burgers</A>.




Barb reports that a vacant Hardees is about to give way to a very exciting new project near Benton Park.



I have always thought that the prominent southwest corner of Jefferson and Arsenal in Benton Park West (across from Benton Park) and should be something other than a fast-food restaurant. Alderman Ken Ortmann agreed. So, for the past four years, the alderman, the CDA, and I have worked with Hardees to secure the restaurant site and the surrounding property for new development.



Here are some of the details:



Designed by Killeen Associates (with assistance from the City?s Director of Planning and Urban Design, Rollin Stanley) and developed by Tim Vogt?s Millenium Restoration & Development, the new development will feature underground parking, ground floor retail, and approximately thirty residential condominium units. The design of the new structures is sensitive to the surrounding historic architecture, and the new development will tie established Benton Park to the Benton Park West neighborhood.
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PostAug 03, 2005#12

I love the building. Nothng makes me cringe more than the words "modern architecture." Usually, the phase is synomnous with "cheap and uninspiring architecture.' Witness the lauded modern designs that replaced Smith's hardware in the loop (the building is - literally - nothing more than a concrete block. It looks like East Berlin).



I know some modern architecture is fantastic - but its very, very rare.



sorry - my two cents. I;m at work and bored.
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PostAug 03, 2005#13

I think it looks great. Can't wait to see the real thing.



Most importantly, I get a real sense of satisfaction when I read they are tearing down a fast food restaurant and replacing it with buildings that hug the street with underground parking - on Jefferson! Who would have thought that would happen. For too many years, buildings have been torn down on Jefferson for fast food restaurants and surface parking. This announcement explempifies the sea change that has taken place in St. Louis. Mark this one in the history books for the day St. Louis started having respect for itself.
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PostAug 04, 2005#14

It looks like Rollin Stanley had a hand in the development, good thing too!
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PostAug 04, 2005#15

I absolutely LOVE the design in the rendering at the top of this thread. I know that was an older post; does anyone know if they are still planning to go with that design?
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PostAug 07, 2005#16

No, evidently the original plan for the condos plus the 5 individual homes has been redesigned. Now it will be one building divided into 3 sections and will hold the condos and retail on the ground level. Here is link to the drawing:



http://stlouis.missouri.org/bentonparkw ... roject.jpg
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PostAug 07, 2005#17

That rendering is even better!
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PostAug 07, 2005#18

Look at all that retail space!! I like. :)
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PostAug 07, 2005#19

Oh, my God, that is better than I ever imagined.
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PostAug 07, 2005#20

Wow, that's a big project! I thought Millenium mostly did small-scale rehabs. Can they pull this off?



I really like the scale and massing of the new design, but I'd like to see better renderings showing more of the details, roofing materials, storefronts, etc.
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PostAug 23, 2005#21

I ran across this ad today.... 31 condominiums coming spring 2006



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PostAug 23, 2005#22

Spring 2006. They better get working.
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PostAug 24, 2005#23

"Potential Amenities"? What the heck does that mean? And why do the number of floors in the small rendering not match those of the main image? Is this project really gonna happen?
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PostAug 24, 2005#24

I'm with Gasm. I think they look nice in the renderings, but compared to their authentic neighbors, these new homes will look cheap and disingenuous. I used to love that St. Louis infill was built to fit in with the historic context of the neighborhoods, but now I'm sick of it. They never look nearly as good as the real old homes and there is very little diversity in the materials or design used. There is absolutely nothing wrong with building new, innovative, contemporary design adjacent to historic buildings. In fact, it would be very refreshing and would make the city's neighborhoods more visually interesting.



That said, I am almost NEVER in favor of tearing down old buildings to make way for new ones, but if the lot is vacant anyway, stop trying to mimic what is lost. Create something new and fresh.
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PostAug 24, 2005#25

I think it depends on who's building the infill. Many of the infill projects in Lafayette Square, LaSalle Park, etc. blend seamlessly into the fabric of the neighborhood. Others, like some of Pyramid's infill projects, stick out like sore thumbs. I also think that with new/modern design, it should be tastefully designed and use quality materials as well - I am not a big fan of the failed Bohemian Hill development by City Hospital. Those homes look very bland to me.



Just judging from the rendering, I think this Millenium project looks pretty good.
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