Historic Fourth Street at Chouteau's Landing

debaliviere · PostAug 25, 2005#12005-08-25T13:50+00:00

I was driving from Soulard into downtown last night and noticed that one of the buildings at 4th and Chouteau (right next to the railroad tressle) appears to be undergoing some sort of rehab. The windows have been removed from the front and back of the building.

Here's a picture of it - it's the building at the end:

Also, a small garage/loading dock building up the street from it is being demolished, so maybe something good will be built in its place.

brickandmortar · PostAug 25, 2005#22005-08-25T14:01+00:00

DeBaliviere wrote:
Also, a small garage/loading dock building up the street from it is being demolished, so maybe something good will be built in its place.

Is that building on 4th and Gratiot? It's been falling down on its own for a while now. They need a bulldozer to finish it off.

There are some nice buildings on that stretch, much nicer than the White Castle/BP with no gas across the street. Unfortunely, they all look empty except for an IMOs

debaliviere · PostAug 25, 2005#32005-08-25T14:34+00:00

I'm not sure if the garage is at Gratiot or not, but it's basically right next to the green building in the picture.

brickandmortar · PostAug 26, 2005#42005-08-26T23:44+00:00

^that's the one. It has backhoe in front of it. Hopefully it's going to get torn down, it might just fall into the street.

debaliviere · PostOct 12, 2005#52005-10-12T14:58+00:00

These buildings are now being tuckpointed. Could this possibly be the first signs of life for Chouteau's Landing?

soulardd · PostOct 12, 2005#62005-10-12T19:37+00:00

Is that the building that looks like the whole back of it fell apart and there are now big struts holding up one wall that go out into the street or is that building on 7th?

debaliviere · PostOct 12, 2005#72005-10-12T19:46+00:00

^

That's the one on 7th. One of the posters here mentioned that his boss is renovating that old bar. I'm amazed it hasn't fallen!

brickandmortar · PostOct 12, 2005#82005-10-12T19:46+00:00

no, this is near 4th and Gratiot. The building you are referring to is part of the Ice house District development and is located on 7th and Hickory.

More discussion on that can be found here:

http://www.urbanstl.com/viewtopic.php?t=205

As far as this project I did some research and one owner(based in Clayton) owns most of the land on the east side of 4th Street from Chouteau to Cedar. I hope they fix up the remaining buildings because they tore down what I felt was a perfectly good building located south of the railroad tracks for the McArthur bridge.

Debaliviere can you fix the photo, I can't see it anymore.

debaliviere · PostOct 12, 2005#92005-10-12T20:20+00:00

I think that same guy owns Powell Square. I hope he actually does something with his buildings instead of waiting for Chouteau's Pond to get started so that he can sell them at a profit.

(btw, I tried to fix the picture, but Fotki is telling me that the photo is "temporarily offline." Don't know what that means, but I don't like it.)

brickandmortar · PostOct 12, 2005#102005-10-12T20:37+00:00

^ You are correct. I hope he isn't sitting on the properties, but at least there is progress on upkeep.

thewayofthearch · PostOct 12, 2005#112005-10-12T22:07+00:00

I heard he is actually trying to develop these properties, and as we have seen, released renderings for his vision of the area. However, he has a few holdouts around powell square, impending progress if I remember correctly.

I geuss the Idea is that if they won't sell to him now, why go ahead with his plans, greatly increase the other guys' rundown buildings/property with his investment, and make it even more difficult/expensive to acquire for them for redevelopment. Basically hes saying, "you're not piggybacking ahole."

I infer everything I just said here based on my perception of the situation...that is all.

While its frustrating that he is doing nothing, at least he's doing stuff with the smaller buildings on broadway.

debaliviere · PostNov 04, 2005#122005-11-04T20:48+00:00

There appears to be a lot of work going on. A huge hole has been cut in the back of the building that appears to go from the bottom all the way to the top.

Here's the listing for the building:

http://stlcie.com/sh/asp/com_one.asp?mk ... =&zz=&stt=

suburban lou · PostNov 19, 2005#132005-11-19T06:55+00:00

There was an article in yesterdays Business Journal about three property owners in Chouteau's Landing and there proposals, which would include Residential, commercial, art space, and a health spa on the top floor of the Cruden Martin Manufacturing building(s).

Crunden Martin Complex

PostNov 21, 2005#142005-11-21T07:27+00:00

Three groups make pitches for Chouteau's Landing

Rick Desloge

Three property owners want to transform the neighborhood south of the Gateway Arch into St. Louis' next hot spot. If any of their proposals take off, the area known as Chouteau's Landing could complement Laclede's Landing, and become a second bookend for the Arch grounds.

But the three plans for the area are not entirely compatible.

The trio of competing property owners all hope to take advantage of Chouteau's Landing, which overlooks the Mississippi River. The neighborhood is bordered by Broadway on the west, the Mississippi River on the east, Interstate 64 on the north and Convent Street on the south. The area is close to the new Busch Stadium, though the site also is boxed in on two sides with elevated railroad lines. The frontage facing the Mississippi looks directly at the city's flood wall. The wall and the rail lines will obstruct views for people and businesses on the first four floors, said Dale Ruthsatz, an executive with St. Louis Development Corp., the agency handling the development for the city's Land Clearance for Redevelopment Authority (LCRA).

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soulardd · PostNov 21, 2005#152005-11-21T14:26+00:00

This would be awesome. I remember riding my bike around that area this past summer and thinking how great it'd be to see this district restored. I also think that this development, coupled with the Ice House district will tie Soulard into downtown, which will do wonders for the city.

debaliviere · PostNov 21, 2005#162005-11-21T16:19+00:00

That's exciting - I like the idea of having space devoted to arts/artists as part of the plan.

I wish there would have been some mention of Powell Square in the article. It would be nice to know what's going on there.

skippythepeanutbutterman · PostNov 22, 2005#172005-11-22T01:10+00:00

Things are happening it just takes time and lots of it.

PostNov 22, 2005#182005-11-22T01:14+00:00

Yes work is being performed on those buildings! It is a much needed rehab for that area and will help draw people also.

loulou · PostNov 29, 2005#192005-11-29T13:32+00:00

I clicked on a link in the Park East Tower thread and wound up reading a story on HOK in St. Louis Commerce magazine.

Click the link below and scroll down to the rendering of Chouteau Lake District. Have a look at what they show on the riverfront, just south of the PSB. Interesting!

(maybe someone less technically-challenged than I am could paste the rendering directly into this thread?)

http://www.stlcommercemagazine.com/arch ... tml#trends

matt drops the h · PostNov 29, 2005#202005-11-29T15:14+00:00

I see what you're talking about. Good eye!

Chouteau's Landing might involve new construction?

skippythepeanutbutterman · PostNov 29, 2005#212005-11-29T15:15+00:00

I didn't see any detailed rendering that showed Chouteau's Landing. Could you elaborate please. Besides I think the Chouteau Lake District and Chouteau's Landing are two completely different projects.

loulou · PostNov 29, 2005#222005-11-29T15:38+00:00

It looks like there are four towers down on the riverfront. If I'm looking at this correctly, that's Chouteau's Landing.

MattnSTL · PostNov 29, 2005#232005-11-29T15:42+00:00

They've been on there since the original rendering was released 5 years ago, which that is.

markofucity · PostNov 29, 2005#242005-11-29T16:02+00:00

I have had those renderings saved on my hard drive for years. I beleive they are merely speculative renderings depicting what they envision for the entire area once (if?) the lake is complete. I love the concept though ..... and hope to god that it actually does occur.

matt · PostNov 29, 2005#252005-11-29T16:54+00:00

It's already begun. I'd like to know who is rehabbing the trio of historic buildings at Chouteau and 4th - across the street from the BP station, under the train trestle.

It looks like most of the property in the 900 and 1000 block of S. 4th on the east side is owned by Stephen C. Murphy or SCM-PBM, LLC (also Stephen C. Murphy). Address is downtown Clayton. Devereux Murphy law firm.