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Downtown St. Louis: Making the grade?

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PostApr 17, 2009#1

Downtown St. Louis: Making the grade?

$4.3 billion invested, but still a lot of disappointments

St. Louis Business Journal - by Lisa R. Brown



Ten years ago, there was no trendy loft district downtown. No Westin. No convention center hotel. Streets and sidewalks emptied after dark as office workers had few restaurants or retail options to choose from.



Much has changed over the past decade, thanks in part to the St. Louis Downtown Development Action Plan adopted in 1999. Now, efforts are under way to refine goals for the city’s urban core and build on the momentum.



A look at the results compared with the original plan reveals a mix of successes and many failures. John Fox Arnold, chairman of law firm Lashly & Baer and co-chair of the ’99 plan, said the intent wasn’t to focus on one silver bullet but to take a comprehensive approach. “The belief was that downtown had to be redeveloped business by business, block by block.”



Assessing progress



The 200-page plan from a decade ago lists dozens of priorities and strategies to attract more than $1 billion in investment downtown. The monetary level of investment has been met — $4.3 billion since 2000, according to the Partnership for Downtown St. Louis, a private, not-for-profit organization with a board of directors comprised of city business leaders. The Partnership is now overseeing the efforts to update the plan.



The biggest successes include adding more than 1,000 residential units in the Washington Avenue loft district and the renovation of the Old Post Office at Eighth and Olive streets.



A critical component was boosting the residential population from 8,500. It now has reached 11,800. That figure is touted as a success by many, although it falls short of the plan’s aggressive goal of 12,800 residents by 2004 and 18,300 by 2010.



Downtown also got a new Major League Baseball stadium that wasn’t anticipated in the plan, a Four Seasons hotel and Lumière Place hotel and casino north of Laclede’s Landing, and a new convention center hotel, the Renaissance Grand Hotel & Suites at 800 Washington Ave.



As the Renaissance brought new life to Washington Avenue, developers began snapping up vacant warehouses nearby and converting them to lofts, fueling the condo boom that brought new retailers and street-level activity downtown.



“The plan’s flexibility served as a good framework for realizing downtown’s potential and changing direction as opportunities like the new ballpark and Lumiere Place arose,” said St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay.



St. Louis Deputy Mayor Barb Geisman said that when the plan was adopted, there were more than 70 historic buildings downtown that were vacant or underutilized. Today, she said there are less than a dozen, and more than 4,300 residential units occupy the renovated historic buildings. “We’ve made great headway on getting buildings re-used,” she said. “The next frontier is new construction.”



Falling short



But the plan also reveals a swath of disappointments. Corporate headquarters have not relocated downtown, as was envisioned, and a new Class A office tower has not materialized. A comprehensive streetscape improvement plan is lacking, and there have yet to be any new infill residential developments. The Roberts Cos.’ $70 million condo tower, under construction at Eighth and Locust streets, is the first new residential construction downtown in decades.



Other disappointments include St. Louis Centre, a 300,000-square-foot enclosed mall steps away from the America’s Center convention complex. Pyramid Cos. acquired it in late 2006 and planned a massive transformation into condos, shops and office space. But Pyramid, once downtown’s largest developer, shuttered operations last April, and St. Louis Centre remains a vacant shell. The future of some of Pyramid’s other massive undeveloped buildings downtown also remains uncertain, including the half-million-square-foot Arcade Building at Eighth and Olive streets.



Mike Jones, who helped write the 1999 plan as the city’s deputy mayor for development, opines that the 24-year-old St. Louis Centre structure should be demolished. Jones is now executive assistant to County Executive Charlie Dooley.



“St. Louis Centre was a mistake,” Jones said. “What you ought to do with a mistake is tear it down and do something else with the space.”



One preliminary proposal, designed by Spinnaker Cos., the owner of St. Louis Centre, and Overland-based developer and general contractor Clayco, is in the works to turn the former mall into structured parking with 70,000 square feet of street-level retail space. Geisman said she couldn’t comment specifically about that plan, but said a solution for the hulking gray structure is critical to improving the link between the Washington Avenue loft district and Laclede’s Landing.



Downtown Next



New efforts are under way to update the 1999 plan in the face of changing economic conditions. The Partnership for Downtown St. Louis, led by Jim Cloar, has met with several business and community organizations in recent weeks to gather feedback about revitalization priorities. Cloar said an updated version of the plan, dubbed Downtown Next, will be available this fall.



“The first phase will be a brochure that focuses on major goals that will set the stage for a more detailed framework,” he said. A new leader of the Partnership for Downtown St. Louis will take over the efforts to update the plan in August. Cloar announced earlier this year his plans to step down from the organization he has led since 2001. DHR International, a St. Louis-based executive search firm, is undertaking a national search for his replacement.



Geisman said the mayor’s office has not yet gotten involved in the Partnership’s update of the 1999 plan. She said any new plan will have to be flexible enough to react to changing market conditions.



The city’s current political leadership is supporting a package of public subsidies for a mega mixed-use development downtown, the $600 million Ballpark Village, slated to be built north of Busch Stadium. The project, co-developed by the St. Louis Cardinals and Baltimore-based Cordish Co., has been reworked several times and is awaiting state approval for subsidies, along with better market conditions to sell the bonds to finance the project.



Slay said other major developments he’d like to see completed or move forward in the next four years are the reopening of the Kiel Opera House, the renovation of the Central Library, an overhaul of the Gateway Mall, improvements to America’s Center and the I-70 lid connecting the Arch grounds to the rest of downtown.



The city is working to identify sites for the construction of a new Class A office building. One site that has been identified is vacant ground north of Market Street at Pine near Union Station. Geisman said St. Louis is a finalist in an unidentified, out-of-town corporation’s search to relocate with 400 employees. “A lot of what we have to do to keep the momentum downtown is capitalizing on opportunities as they present themselves,” she said








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PostApr 17, 2009#2

a new tower at 20th and pine?

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PostApr 17, 2009#3

Finally, they might look into a re-do of the 22nd Street Interchange!

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PostApr 17, 2009#4

For those of you who are not BJ subscribers, there is much more to the article including a list of achieved and not achieved for each district. Here are a few that piqued my interests:



Gateway Mall



Achieved

Launch design of Gateway Mall improvements



Not Achieved

1-70 lid connecting Arch Grounds to Gateway Mall

A new cultural institution within the district

Site for a Class A office building



Could we be getting another Class A office building somewhere ON the mall?

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PostApr 17, 2009#5

^ not likely - though maybe as a bookend at the western end (along with a new interchange?)

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PostApr 17, 2009#6

Moor, IIRC the site that the plan identified for the construction of new Class A office space on the Gateway Mall was the current site of Mike Shannon's. It used to be a Mark Twain Bank branch back in the day, and before McGowan renovated it, there was talk of tearing it down and building a new building in its place.

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PostApr 17, 2009#7

thx, I didn't what the plan may have been in '99. Maybe build next to Gateway One.?

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PostApr 17, 2009#8

I particularly found this interesting...


The city is working to identify sites for the construction of a new Class A office building. One site that has been identified is vacant ground north of Market Street at Pine near Union Station. Geisman said St. Louis is a finalist in an unidentified, out-of-town corporation’s search to relocate with 400 employees. “A lot of what we have to do to keep the momentum downtown is capitalizing on opportunities as they present themselves,” she said


400 employees would probably occupy in the ballpark of 100,000 sq. ft. of office space, resulting in a pretty small office building. Regardless, 400 new employees with the possibility of more would be great for the city.

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St. Louis Deputy Mayor Barb Geisman said that when the plan was adopted, there were more than 70 historic buildings downtown that were vacant or underutilized. Today, she said there are less than a dozen


Awesome.

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PostApr 17, 2009#10

“St. Louis Centre was a mistake,” Jones said. “What you ought to do with a mistake is tear it down and do something else with the space.”


well, ok. as long as you have no plan AND no financing in place. although, a STL Center crater would look nice next the the BPV crater from the air...


One preliminary proposal, designed by Spinnaker Cos., the owner of St. Louis Centre, and Overland-based developer and general contractor Clayco, is in the works to turn the former mall into structured parking with 70,000 square feet of street-level retail space.


oh! a plan! wait... barf. really? another garage? just because?

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PostApr 18, 2009#11

^ That's just f^cking wrong.



Is "structured parking" supposed to sound less bad than "parking structure"? :?

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PostApr 18, 2009#12

Interesting article.



The proposal for St. Louis Center would be a waste. Too much land in the heart of downtown is already parking spaces. While few would like the idea, the truth is that if downtown could continue to progress in adding residences (and supplement it with more office workers), St. Louis Center could be rehabilitated in a more traditional fashion as an indoor mall with renovations to add more street facing street level retail. If City is bent on dealing with St. Louis Center right now, then just level the whole damn thing and offer up the land as a clean slate for the development of a new office building.



One would hope the City could work with a real estate developer like Duke to come up with a comprehensive plan for a large scale office development where the 22nd street interchange is now.

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PostApr 18, 2009#13

Grover wrote:Is "structured parking" supposed to sound less bad than "parking structure"? :?


I guess that's the intent, but it doesn't work. It just sounds better than unstructured parking, which can typically be found at county fairs in the summer and at pumpkin patches every fall, or at the average mall during the holiday shopping season. :P



I don't like how the description of ongoing plans to redevelop St. Louis Centre seemed to focus on the parking aspect instead of retail. The Concord, as proposed by Pyramid, would've featured some parking as well, but that was primarily for residents and shoppers per my understanding.



70,000SF of retail space would likely result in businesses lining the main level of the building on all four sides, which would be great, but I will be pissed if all of the upper levels are devoted to parking and little if anything else. Seriously, how many more effing parking garages does our downtown need? There's one immediately to the east, the Macy's, 7th Street, and Laclede garages two blocks south, the Garage Mahal two blocks west, and a proposed garage may still rise at US Bank Plaza (the site of the late, great Ambassador Theater). What effing gives? :roll:



The article was a great read overall. There have been some disappointing setbacks, and there's still a long way to go to realize downtown's full potential, but I am extremely pleased with and impressed by the progress that's been made in the last decade. And I still believe we have a downtown of which we can all be proud.

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PostApr 18, 2009#14

From the article it sounds like the popular options for the St. Louis Centre are parking garage, or tear it down.

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PostApr 18, 2009#15

I say tear it down and turn it into a park - you could have portion allocated as a dog park, some basketball courts, handball courts (do people play that here?), maybe even tennis.



Only problem would be that it would become bum central. But downtown already is, so just add a permanent security presence.

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PostApr 18, 2009#16

^ na, amenities like that are better suited for auxiliary lots around downtown. This is a very high profile location. We need an adaptive reuse/new class A office tower.

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PostApr 19, 2009#17

Parking? They can't be serious. I find it both disconcerting and hilarious that developers can secure financing for parking but not for housing downtown. There is WAY too much parking downtown.



I heard--i.e. RUMOR, folks--that Larry Williams had to lay off some people because the parking garages were losing quite a bit of money.




PsychoTim wrote:I say tear it down and turn it into a park - you could have portion allocated as a dog park, some basketball courts, handball courts (do people play that here?), maybe even tennis.


Wow, what a great, constructive idea. If there's something downtown needs, it certainly is more park space. More parks and parking, that's what I say, by jingo!



And yes, people do in fact play handball here. I also hear tell that locals can read and write, and are familiar with telephones, computers, and automobiles.


PsychoTim wrote:Only problem would be that it would become bum central. But downtown already is, so just add a permanent security presence.


Ah, the joys of city living. I distinctly remember dining at a tony Manhattan restaurant on the sidewalk, while a bum stood no more than three yards away begging for change.

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PostApr 19, 2009#18

I say tear down 3/4 of those stupid old buildings in downtown st. louis and replace them with beautiful shining new parking lots! (if you really like how the old buildings look, you can build the parking lots to look like them, I guess.) But this way, all the suburbanites can drive their cars downtown and then walk around and admire all the beautiful parking garages! All the beautiful cars! Oh, the modernity. And then they can rush home at 5:30 for dinner.

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PostApr 19, 2009#19

Trying to redevelop St. Louis Centre as an enclosed mall again would be better than adding a new garage to downtown St. Louis.



If this is within even a realm of possibility of happening, there needs to be a group to fight its development right now.

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PostApr 19, 2009#20

I say tear it down and turn it into a park - you could have portion allocated as a dog park, some basketball courts, handball courts (do people play that here?), maybe even tennis.


i can't believe there are people that still think like this.. shocking. how many more "parks" do we need? I liked the original plan of converting it to retail, and condos, but i suppose that won't happen for a while. what the city should continue to market and promote is cheap office space, and that downtown continues to grow at around 6% per year. pretty impressive numbers. the city should have some type of billboard on the way downtown, promoting all things downtown. the number of new people, businesses, etc. for all the naysaying regional residents who still don't get that downtown is coming back.

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PostApr 20, 2009#21

Whatever happens with St. Louis Centre (hopefully ANYTHING except parking or a park), I hope they get rid of the skybridge over Wash Ave. We have enough obstacles disconnecting downtown from the riverfront, and this is yet another. It may not be as significant as I-70, but the skybridge adds another layer of discontinuity (visually at the very least) between the portions of Wash Ave that lie to either side.



It's disappointing to come into Missouri, over the bridge and into downtown... and instead of seeing the best urban street in the region in the distance, you see the blank face of a failed project that completely blocks the successes of the Loft District from view.



First impressions are everything, and this skybridge ruins the great first impression that downtown/Wash Ave/the Loft District can make on a newcomer.



*sigh*

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PostApr 28, 2009#22

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I say tear it down and turn it into a park - you could have portion allocated as a dog park, some basketball courts, handball courts (do people play that here?), maybe even tennis.


i can't believe there are people that still think like this.. shocking. how many more "parks" do we need? I liked the original plan of converting it to retail, and condos, but i suppose that won't happen for a while. what the city should continue to market and promote is cheap office space, and that downtown continues to grow at around 6% per year. pretty impressive numbers. the city should have some type of billboard on the way downtown, promoting all things downtown. the number of new people, businesses, etc. for all the naysaying regional residents who still don't get that downtown is coming back.


Hey, I live downtown. Sorry I'm not uber cool, but where exactly are the downtown handball courts? And the basketball and tennis courts?



Where exactly are the recreations facilities for downtown residents?



Oh yes, another tower. Downtown is FILLED with empty, dilapidated buildings. Sure, they're not all new and fancy, but how about filling up that crap before we start building new?



A sports/dog park would provide services to residents that do not currently exist.



And yeah, some security would be nice. I'd like to enjoy downtown without having to say "sorry, don't have any change" every 15 minutes.

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PsychoTim wrote:
JCity wrote:
I say tear it down and turn it into a park - you could have portion allocated as a dog park, some basketball courts, handball courts (do people play that here?), maybe even tennis.


i can't believe there are people that still think like this.. shocking. how many more "parks" do we need? I liked the original plan of converting it to retail, and condos, but i suppose that won't happen for a while. what the city should continue to market and promote is cheap office space, and that downtown continues to grow at around 6% per year. pretty impressive numbers. the city should have some type of billboard on the way downtown, promoting all things downtown. the number of new people, businesses, etc. for all the naysaying regional residents who still don't get that downtown is coming back.


Hey, I live downtown. Sorry I'm not uber cool, but where exactly are the downtown handball courts? And the basketball and tennis courts?



Where exactly are the recreations facilities for downtown residents?


MAC and/or YMCA. And The Fitness Factory, if you just want to work out (treadmills, weights, etc...)


PsychoTim wrote:And yeah, some security would be nice. I'd like to enjoy downtown without having to say "sorry, don't have any change" every 15 minutes.


You don't have to say anything.

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PostApr 28, 2009#24

Interesting take PsychoTim, Do you live in Downtown St. Louis?



here you go


About the Downtown-Marquette YMCA



Facility

Indoor Lap Pool (Downtown)

Full-size Gymnasium (Downtown)


Indoor Tracks

Fitness Centers – Cybex Equipment, Cardio Equipment

Free Weight Centers

Racquetball/Handball Courts (Downtown)

Indoor Golf Driving Range (Downtown)




Amenities

Steam Rooms

Saunas

Whirlpools

Locker Rooms

Equipment Checkout (Downtown) – volleyballs, basketballs, racquets, boxing gloves

Group Cycling Classes

Massage Therapy (Downtown)

Complimentary Group Exercise classes

Complimentary Aquatic Exercise classes (Downtown)

Complimentary Program Information mailed to your home

Towel Service

Fitness Assessments

Personal Trainers

Fitness Consultations

Youth Fitness Center (Opening Soon Downtown!)

Teen Center (Opening Soon Downtown!)



Special Features

Hair Salon (Downtown)

Laundry Services (Downtown)



This 10-story building was one of the largest YMCAs when built and consisted of six floors of dormitories, one floor of classrooms, gymnasiums, six handball courts, a swimming pool, men’s and boy’s locker rooms, a Business Men’s Club with turkish bath equipment, a barber shop, tailor shop, cafeteria, private dining and club rooms, lounges, libraries, assembly halls and separate social halls for younger and older boys. The cafeteria and dormitories were closed in 1974 and the upper seven floors were sold and converted to retirement housing in 1977.


http://www.ymcastlouis.org/dtmarquette/about

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PostApr 28, 2009#25

The empty buildings are actually few and far between these days. You should have been here 9 years ago.



Sorry you have such a negative attitude towards downtown but it actually keeps improving as time passes.

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