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East St. Louis Riverfront Plan (Images)

East St. Louis Riverfront Plan (Images)

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PostNov 29, 2004#1

I know this forum is about St. Louis, but this project is located directly across the river from downtown, and will benefit both sides of the river. The project has been in the development stages for some time now, and this Master Plan PDF file has just been released.



Of 3 designs, Waterfront Village was the winner for East St. Louis's Riverfront Plan. I like a few ideas, and puke at others. If the land is so valuable, then why waste so much space on parking? Build one, huge, garage and get it over with.



Waterfront Village - ?The place to live, work and play everyday?



Waterfront Village reflects a new urbanism theme of the ?urban village?, is reminiscent of traditional town planning with a grid street network, alley access to housing, and a design approach which allows neighbors to have more interaction with each other. Although traditional, it incorporates the latest techniques in building construction and materials, homeowner preferences for modern conveniences, and easy access to shopping/eating/fitness and automobile services.



The execution of this thematic approach in East St. Louis has several characteristics which are both representative of the urban village concept, yet unique to the East St. Louis Waterfront. The housing units proposed for this development would number over 400 and include both single-family attached and detached units. The single-family attached/townhome units would number 129. The single-family detached would constitute about 300 units. Due to the presence of the river floodwall and levee, the housing units would be 3 to 4 stories in height, which would provide the best opportunity for views of the Mississippi River and downtown St. Louis.



The housing units would have an architectural style reflective of a turn-of-thecentury design (Illustration APD3(a) and APD3(b). An interior courtyard would provide some private space for each occupant, yet encourage social interaction with neighbors. The units will be placed close to the street to further encourage a

sense of community. To further encourage this sense of community, the units will range from affordable housing to luxury penthouses. The luxury units would have significantly upgraded interiors, with some complementary exterior alterations to

enhance the value of the units. Upgraded features might include a fully landscaped exterior courtyard, full brick construction rather than brick veneer, upgraded floor and wall furnishings, an enhanced lighting and sound system, top of- the-line electrical appliances, a whole-unit vacuuming system, and other value

-enhanced amenities. Lastly, the upgraded units would offer the best views of the waterfront area.



The commercial areas throughout this urban village thematic approach would involve both trendy boutique shops, along with other quality small-scale retail. These would be supplemented by more basic commercial services, all featuring more upscale, designed architectural exteriors. As an example, while the area

would likely include major retailers such as Walgreen?s, the building design and site layout would deviate from the prototypical construction and provide complementary architecture to that located throughout the Waterfront.



The spectacular views which are provided along the Waterfront present a unique opportunity for a quality sit-down dining experience. These opportunities could be provided either in multi-storied individual dining establishments, or on the top floor of other commercial or office buildings. Of course, it is expected that these high-quality sit-down restaurant facilities will be supplemented by national fastfood restaurants, to attract a wider mix of consumers. It is critical to the success of the urban village concept that the exterior architecture be coordinated throughout the entire Waterfront Village.



It is expected that other types of commercial activity (i.e., hotels, service commercial) will also be present for this live, work and play concept to be successful. The placement of such uses is important to support the daytime working population and the nighttime residential population. These two groups are supplemented by the traveling public who will come to the waterfront area for shopping, dining and entertainment opportunities. The total additional square footage of new commercial development under this plan is over 500,000 square feet.



To fully support this thematic approach of living, working and playing, all three components must be involved in this mix. The work component will include commercial, industrial and office activity. The office component of this urban village approach would constitute almost 1.5 million square feet The reason for this concentration of office activity is two-fold. First, office

workers have highly-varied income levels which would support the concept of mixed-income housing opportunities. Secondly, the views of downtown provide a unique opportunity within the region. Offices would have quality exterior and interior architectural and design components in order to attract good office tenants. The office market prefer to have something unique to make a statement about their company and its resources.



The view of downtown and the Mississippi River is unequalled anywhere else in this region, and must be optimized in the development (Illustration APD5). Highquality office tenants will want to take advantage of all this location has to offer. It

is recognized that the office market is presently overbuilt in the St. Louis market. Although the office component may lag behind other elements of the waterfront development, due to a presently over-built office market in the region, this should

nevertheless be very appealing to potential tenants.



Although this particular plan de-emphasizes the industrial market, it is nevertheless an aspect of the work component. There are several suitable sites within the Project Area which are not as prime for other types of development and which could support industrial opportunities. The newly proposed industrial development would constitute nearly 300,000 square feet.



There are several other design elements which have been incorporated into the Waterfront Village. The issue of stringent architectural design standards has already been discussed. Additionally however, in order to minimize the effect of multi-story buildings on pedestrian circulation, the streetscape needs to be significantly enhanced. Such enhancements would include extensive landscaping, a short wall or berms to help conceal the rail line along the waterfront, use of numerous water elements, outdoor furniture, and lighting. All of these enhancements should be designed to preserve or create quality viewsheds toward the Mississippi River to give residents, workers and visitors a sense of

connectivity to the water, and to capitalize on this unique location.










































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PostDec 23, 2004#2

Is it me or do those office buildings look like the Highlands at Forest Park? And that large stretched building is just ugly! :shock:



Looks like a nice development overall for ESL, but there are way too much surface parking lots in those renderings. Why not build high rise condos with riverfront/STL skyline views instead of these row houses?

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PostJan 10, 2005#3

I hate to say this, but I think East St. Louis might need a more surburban look, or at least a more trendy urban look if people are actually going to get over their conceptions of the city, even if the area in question is directly across the river from downtown St. Louis.



I'd bet that many simply would not go because it is in "East St. Louis." If they see rows of identical housing, they'll automatically think "projects" and avoid it like the plague. I know the plethora of parking lots is suburban, but I think the proposed housing looks a bit too much like neo-projects. I know any development at this point would probably be beneficial, but I'm just saying that the developers should be sensitive to the image they're projecting of East St. Louis.



I'd recommend that first the attractions be put in place and later add the housing. I've heard they were going to do a Museum of Architecture. That would be awesome. They should put that there along with some business buildings, basically creating a new downtown for East St. Louis on the riverfront (which industry, flooding and interstate development robbed it of). While it would be nice to have people living in this new downtown at its inception, I think it might give the wrong image. Downtown East St. Louis, like downtown St. Louis, should be made to be a destination on one's stop in downtown St. Louis.



If people are too scared to go, the new businesses will falter and all that will be left will be these declining neo-urban townhomes on the riverfront, complete with a fountain reflection of the Arch (which is kind of tacky, but hey, it's better than what they have now).



Anyway, am I being too pessimistic?

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PostJan 10, 2005#4

People aren't too scared to go to the Casino Queen.

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PostJan 10, 2005#5

Xing wrote:People aren't to scared to go to the Casino Queen.


True, but that's on the river itself. And I think the Casino Queen might lose some business with people thinking that these "projects" buildings are too close.



I could be completely wrong. Or the renderings could be very loose. Who knows how it will actually turn out?

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PostJan 11, 2005#6

Like Matt Drops the H says they need to make it more than just that they are proposing. I would like to see a skyline of sorts in ESL, also, an entertainment district and condos & lofts build there. Its much better than those row houses and those lame space wasting 4-5 story office buildings.

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PostJan 11, 2005#7

Um, actually there is an entertainment area proposed, and condos. The entertainment area is suppose to be on a grid of streets, next to the current metrolink station, and it's meant to be a cross between Laclede's Landing and the Gaslight Square.

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PostFeb 03, 2005#8

Maybe it isn't possible, but this really needs to be an absolute all out undertaking or nothing at all. These renderings of surface lots, suburban office buildings, etc. just isn't going to turn the ESL riverfront into a destination or desirable place. It needs to be high/mid-rise buildings to take advantage of the downtown views and river views. It needs to be dense, or at least denser than what is being proposed. Certain elements are fantastic, such as the outdoor theater with the St. Louis skyline in the background. But once parking lots and the boring suburban office buildings are built, the overall plan and dream will be lost.



Downtown St. Louis will benefit greatly from this, as well as the metro east.



Hell, to go along with another thread that was going about shifting St. Louis to Illinois, how about St. Louis annexing East St. Louis and taking over the government, etc. Obviously not a great thing for crime stats, poverty rates, etc. (if you are into all of the "lists"), but possibly a good move as far as reclaiming the riverfront for downtown and ESL. Obviously the Illinois government doesn't care enough about ESL's condition to invest money into the area. A crazy idea, but I think a potentially good one.

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PostFeb 04, 2005#9

Did anyone notice the Cargill grain elevator in the first picture? I don't think they'll move for anyone.



Remember Rome wasn't built in a day so East St Louis certainly won't be rebuilt that quickly. Personally, I think this is a waste and they should concentrate more on fixing up the rest of the town. Of course that would involve having a municipal government that actually governed instead of skimming the till, and bickering. I agree, the amplitheater is nice, but do we really need another entertainment district & hotel/convention center?

To expand on MattH's idea of mid/high rise buildings how about the plan should strictly be TOD on the east side of the Riverfront MetroLink station. As part of this include high density residential b/w Eads and King and that multi-family row house stuff in the plan(with a streetgrid) east of the King bridge with a smattering of retail. As for the office campus :?

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PostFeb 04, 2005#10

I find it funny how the renderings only show people from the back--god forbid there be any indication that the people in the pictures are black, like 99% of East St. Louis's current residents.

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PostFeb 04, 2005#11

The East St Louis government wants to attract people from all over, not only African Americans, or just people from East St. Louis. The mayor did state that he wanted the city to become more diverse. East St. Louis happens to have one of the least diverse populations in the St Louis area, if not the least.



Also, as far as improving the rest of the city, that would be difficult without a decent tax base, and a good way to improve it, is by building tourist attractions, or large businesses such as this project.

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PostFeb 04, 2005#12

I think the pictures are ugly. This isn't going to be something that would blend in well with the region. It reminds me of a development in Memphis called Harbortown that works well for Memphis. But I would prefer a mid and highrise area to compliment downtown.

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PostAug 11, 2005#13

Thanks, Xing. You may be slow, but you come through in the end! :wink:

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PostAug 11, 2005#14

Not too bad. Way too much parking, especially surface lot. Yuck. But there is some good concept there. I especially like the river walk. But I agree that it'd be nice to see some highrises facing downtown STL.

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PostAug 11, 2005#15

Maybe I am the only one, but really if they can't think of anything else to do with the east riverfront I have always thought it would be a great spot for a links style gold course. World class in scope, good enough to get things like the US Open and PGA Championships to come and play. Think of the beautiful camera shots coming down a hole with the arch and maybe the eads bridge as part of the landsacpe. Would be a great site for golf tourisim.

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PostAug 12, 2005#16

JMedwick wrote:Maybe I am the only one, but really if they can't think of anything else to do with the east riverfront I have always thought it would be a great spot for a links style gold course. World class in scope, good enough to get things like the US Open and PGA Championships to come and play. Think of the beautiful camera shots coming down a hole with the arch and maybe the eads bridge as part of the landsacpe. Would be a great site for golf tourisim.


Only 5 Miles from downtown St. Louis (maybe less?), and fairly new. Oh, and you can see the skyline.





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PostAug 12, 2005#17

Just a question Xing, but have you ever been on the Casino Queen?

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PostAug 12, 2005#18

Yes, a number of times. It's the closest Casino to me. I have also been on the Ameristar in St Charles.

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PostAug 20, 2005#19

Doesn't some high-rise development seem both appropriate and logical considering the location? I sincerely think people would move there for the views, especially if the buildings offered amenities such as a supermarket, 24-hour doorman, etc. I just don't see upwardly-mobile types flocking to live in one of those "new urbanism" townhomes given the stigma of East St. Louis. I'm sorry, the East Side needs to offer something truly unique for it to become attractive for newcomers-- that being the incredible skyline views. Townhouses do nothing to seize the amazing views. People don't need to move to East St. Louis to provide a neighborhood feel that those townhouses are going for when they can get the same thing in a number of other local communities. High-rises are more appropriate, and I think it would definitely lead to more development in the future.

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PostAug 21, 2005#20

gasm- I think a well designed new urbanist development on a site like this actually would be something unique for this region. If they could incorporate some high-rise buildings, even better. High-rises are probably cost-prohibitive, especially where land value is cheap.

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PostAug 21, 2005#21

^You just hit the nail on the head. Why is land with such an amazing view, one of the best for skyline watching in the country, so damn undervalued? Once people get over the stigma East St. Louis has, I think we will see some highrise development.

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PostAug 21, 2005#22

I would really like to see a forest of upscale, modern high-rises in Illinois facing the Arch. Having a view of the Arch and DT, as well as a Metrolink stop would make it a great neighborhood. It is one of the few urban places in the St. Louis metro that could be started from scratch. It could be something truly unique and a boost for the rest of ESTL. Another benefit, would be the prosperous and world-class big city view from the Arch. It would help change the image of our metro. Also, I would like to see a boardwalk, including canals (as part of flood control?) with a variety restaurants, shops, marina, etc. all along the Illinois riverfront. What a place it would be for outside dining and strolling!! My model would be the Docklands area of London. One more thing, if it makes people feel better about investing in luxury condos, give it a different address. Welcome to Docklands, Illinois or Waterside, Illinois, or Canalside, Illinois or Archview, Illinois.

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PostAug 22, 2005#23

Expat-- you get it! We're definitely on the same wavelength.

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PostAug 22, 2005#24

I'm with Gasm and Expat.



I loved the canal idea. This is prime property, and we need the right people in charge of creating an area that is worthy of the best views in the area.

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PostAug 22, 2005#25

Yup, and I would do fine without the suburban office park as well. I agree, people need to see the East Riverfront as a place to build condos for single individuals who would appreciate a beautiful view.

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