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English Cave underneath Benton Park

English Cave underneath Benton Park

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PostJan 31, 2007#1

Recently I've become sort of fascinated with some of the brewery caves here in St. Louis. In particular, English Cave, which is a large cave underneath Benton Park.



Any of you guys know anything about it? I've read the Lost Caves book, of course. I also know that there was an entrance east of Benton Park and one located in the park itself.



Anyone know anything, like where those sealed entrances are or anything like that? There's no way in to the cave any more, but I'd be curious to see where that stuff used to be.

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PostFeb 01, 2007#2

First I have heard of this. Would be an interesting thing to know about. Do you have any online references for this?

PostFeb 01, 2007#3

Here is something I found at:



http://www.bentonpark.com/living/living ... istory.htm





<b>During the 1850s the city began selling the Common Fields, a large tract of undeveloped pasture land outside the western boundary of the city limits, then at 18th street. With this sale of land following the platting of subdivisions and neighborhood. Located within the Commons, the Benton Park neighborhood attracted those who anticipated the city's expansion westward from the early riverfront settlements. By 1875, this area is shown in the Compton-Dry Atlas to be a semi-urbanized district noted for the many breweries, sinkholes and natural limestone caverns which honeycomb the vicinity. Of particular interest is the English Cave which is said to run underneath Benton Park all the way to the Lemp Brewery located three blocks to the south and four blocks to the east. It was this system of caves and their constant 55 degree temperature (ideal for beer storage) that encouraged brewers to settle in the area. All cave entrances, including the one in Benton Park, are now sealed.</B>



I really wonder why they were sealed?

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PostFeb 01, 2007#4

bsharmastl wrote:I really wonder why they were sealed?
The cave is flooded. :(



http://www.prairieghosts.com/lostcave.html


During the 1960’s though, interest in the cave was revived thanks to Hubert and Charlotte Rother, the authors of the excellent and indispensable book, Lost Caves of St. Louis. They proposed a plan for re-opening the cave with the help of the Hondo Grotto, a local chapter of the Missouri Speological Society, a group of cave explorers. The problem they faced was getting into the cavern. The entrances had been sealed off years before when it was discovered that water from Benton Park was draining into the cave.



They picked up promising clues and bits of information and tried to follow as many leads as possible, but ran into a blank wall every time. There was seemingly no way into the cave. It is rumored to be completely under water today.

Cherokee Cave was opened to the public and it was a popular attraction for more than ten years. The cave remained open until 1960 and in 1961, it was purchased by the Missouri Highway department to clear the way for Interstate 55.



The museum and the cave entrance were demolished in 1964 and the cave was filled. Today, the only reminder of the unique place is a short street near Broadway and Cherokee in St. Louis called "Cave Street".
Wow...a street sign is all that remains of the cave. How exciting. :roll:




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PostFeb 01, 2007#5

There was a cave, maybe north city area, that was a type of beer garden in the summer. everyone would go to the caves when it was too hot. before airconditioners.



the problem with the caves is that when they closed them they would fill them with trash.

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PostFeb 01, 2007#6

Well... I'm pretty sure English Cave isn't flooded. It's pretty big judging from a map I've seen of it. It would take more than the lake at Benton Park to flood it.



And if the Lemp Cave ever did connect to English Cave, it doesn't anymore. Trust me on that. ;)



Was hoping someone here maybe knew where the entrance in Benton Park used to be. I'm sure it's sealed up good, but I'd still be curious to know.

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PostFeb 01, 2007#7

P-D, 1996 wrote:Missouri Speleology, a journal of the state's speleological survey, published a list of beer-cave sites 26 years ago that's one of the most comprehensive listings of known city cave sites. It includes a number of unnamed caves in the Lafayette Square and Soulard areas.



Here are some of those caverns, most of them inaccessible or extinct: Anheuser-Busch, 920 Pestalozzi. "We had some caves, but ours were very small," said William J. Vollmar, A-B's corporate archivist and historian. "Adolphus Busch was one of the very first to use refrigeration. The few that are in existence are now used as utility tunnels."



The brewery does have videotape of Green Tree Brewery caves at 10th and Sidney, taken in 1981 when the company acquired some of the property. "You know, there were eight or nine breweries, all with caves under them, within a 12-block radius of the brewery," he said.



Anthony & Kuhn Brewery cave, 7th and Sidney.



Benton Park (English) Cave, Benton Park. A beer, wine and mushroom cave that once had a small theater and beer garden. Ezra English made a malt liquor (ale) here; the English Brewery went out of business in the mid-1840s. In 1873, the city considered opening the cave to the public.



Consumer Cave, 1920 Shenandoah. The old beer cave for Falstaff, Lemp, Consumers and Stumpf breweries.



Gast Brewery Cave, North Broadway and Hornsby.



Glasgow Cave, Cass and Garrison. A winery and beer cave.



Green Tree Brewery cave (shared with Anthony & Kuhn), 9th and Sidney.



Home Brewery Cave, 3600 Salena.



Hyde Park Beer Cave, North Florissant and Salisbury.



Klausmann Brewery Cave, 8639 South Broadway, also a former beer garden.



Lyon Park Cave, Lyon Park, across from Anheuser-Busch. During the Civil War, it served as an ammunition storage area under the old city arsenal.



Phoenix Brewery Cave, 18th and Lafayette, in Lafayette Square.



Schneider Beer Cave, Chouteau and Mississippi. Also an underground beer garden.



Stifel Beer Cave, 17th and Market Streets (under Union Station).



Wainwright Brewery Cave, 10th and Gratiot.



Cherokee Brewery Cave, Cherokee and Iowa. Below an old optical building that was the Cherokee Brewery's gravity-fed brewhouse.



City motorcycle traffic policeman Gary Melker, 47, went down in a beer cave, probably a section of the Cherokee, last January. "Every turn was mazelike, and we were chest-deep in water part of the time," he said. "That's when we weren't crawling and digging through little openings." His photographs show a classic beer cave with arched stonework. "I would have taken more photos, except my hands were caked with mud and slime."


Given your website, White Rabbit, I assume you know about or have seen the cited Missouri Speleology publication from 1970.

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PostFeb 01, 2007#8

I think its time to put together the st louis urban underground explorer team.

It was cool reading the threads about the tunnels the other day, and i really liked this link about the historic mines of STL...

http://www.usgennet.org/usa/mo/county/s ... nd_stl.htm



Theres holes all over the city!!

Whos got the flashlight?

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PostFeb 01, 2007#9

bonwich wrote:Given your website, White Rabbit, I assume you know about or have seen the cited Missouri Speleology publication from 1970.


Thanks for posting that. I was aware of that article, but I didn't really want to pay 3 bucks to read it from the Post-Dispatch.



I haven't been able to find a copy of that issue of Missouri Speleology, though.



P.S. Is that the entirety of the Post-Dispatch article, or is there more?

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PostFeb 01, 2007#10

white rabbit wrote:P.S. Is that the entirety of the Post-Dispatch article, or is there more?


Pay $3 and find out!

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PostFeb 02, 2007#11

I grew up just across Kingshighway from a huge clay-mine and brick-works (where Office Depot/Burlington Coat Factory is now). The operation must have just closed when I was still a lad. All of the buildings were still standing, and we used to get into the site, and occasionally find an old tunnel. It was the coolest playground an adolescent boy could hope for.