Rev. Larry Rice has solely framed the downtown homeless issue for far too long. The facts about Larry Rice and how he serves as a detriment to the homeless community and the community at-large will soon be unfolded.



Rev. Rice has unfortunately chosen to divide the community by labeling downtown residents as insensitive to the plight of the homeless. True men and women of the cloth do not mislead, act selfishly or act divisively. They should work to speak the truth, be selfless and bring all people together. They should partner with the community they live in. Unfortunately, Rice violates these tenets. Luckily for him, he still has time left on Earth to repent.



You see, most downtown residents support the care and rehabilitation of the homeless back to traditional society. Larry, it is not insensitive nor politically incorrect of us to ask that the entire community be treated more respectfully! We have evidence via your words and actions that you promote the desecration of our community's public spaces. This has persisted for years and results in lewd and indecent conduct, alcohol and drug use, excessive litter, etc etc.... All of this at Lucas Park and its environs, just next door to the NLEC, in front of our families and children.



Now is the time for city residents and homeless advocates to unite and spread the word about this charlatan. But first we need your help in compiling the various sordid facts and evidence regarding Larry Rice's misdeeds. Everything will be compiled and posted on a new website, http://larryricetruth.com.



We want to know everything. Every little detail that shows him to be a detriment to the homeless and our community. Please post it here w/ sources. We need to stay factual, of course. We also want to hear stories of those that have been affected by him. Stories from residents. Stories from the homeless who have stayed with him. I have a digital video camera and I'd be glad to record some of these stories, upload them to YouTube, and the new website. This is a personal issue caused by him, so now is our turn to get up close and personal with him.



I want to make this clear. We will not be smearing Larry Rice's name. We will only be sharing the truth regarding Rice's words and actions. He will have smeared his own name.



Through the facts that will be portrayed, a rising sentiment of city residents and homeless advocates will help urge our government representatives to take action against this man while also playing an active role in filling the gap in the homeless care continuum that Larry Rice will leave.



Time is ticking for Larry Rice. He has broken countless city codes and disrespected the homeless community and community at-large for far too long. For the betterment of all parties, Larry Rice must and will go.



Your help is appreciated. If you can help in any way, please contact me here or at innov8ion at gmail.com. Because with your help, we will make a positive difference downtown.

I don't live downtown, so I don't have specific experiences to offer, but I'll add this:



If any other property in the city had the type of "nuisance" and even violent 911 calls that Rice's property does, the City Counselor's Office (Problem Properties) would begin the administrative process that leads to revocation of the occupancy permit.



Based on reviews of 911 calls, Rice's property has been flagged in the past for such scrutiny. However, when city personnel realized what address it was, the order was to back off. Too much potentially bad PR for the mayor's office.

kujay wrote:


Based on reviews of 911 calls, Rice's property has been flagged in the past for such scrutiny. However, when city personnel realized what address it was, the order was to back off. Too much potentially bad PR for the mayor's office.

Was this reported in the P-D or some other news source? I don't recall that. I thought the mayor was actually pretty at-odds with Rice specifically.

^^ This won't be so difficult once Larry Rice has been exposed. Believe me, public opinion will change.

First off, I am not an attorney, however, I believe that this relates to the City of Springfield's TRO for his "Free Store" that he turned into a shelter.

read more about it here:

http://www.ci.springfield.mo.us/webapps ... ?relid=331



In addition, you can always check the PACER system (Public Access to Court Electronic Records), you'll have to setup an account as they charge you $.08 / page for e-records.



Of interest would be the NLEC financials for his efforts a few years back to attain the federal building. Also, his suit against Tommy Thompson (yes THAT Tommy Thompson at the federal level). A court document stated that NLEC had 40-50 million in assets, plus 5 million in disposable assets.

gopher wrote:Of course, most tax records are public...

You can go to the irs.gov website (charities and non-profits) and check for the statistical data on organizations. There you can see what NLEC current tax exempt status is. I know that there were some questions brought up about the tax exempt status of NLEC during the 2004 court case to turn the building into another warehouse.



In addition, last night on Channel 24 Larry is pushing a petition to turn an acre of downtown into a "shantytown" complete with tents and "rules" within the town, self-governed by the homeless. Oh and a place for people to put a "dresser" in a tent.



I also would encourage people to review the missouri highway patrol's sex offender registry and determine where most of the crimes were committed for the sex offenders listed, and cross reference with Case Net to see where the offender lived during that time.

I bet most are from the county.

Great. I'll record it on DVR, then convert the useful parts to the h.264 format and finally upload them YouTube.



You've looked that stuff up, why don't you post links, screenshots or relevant text? Then the information can be more easily compiled.



By the way, here's more great evidence...

gerwitz wrote:

JMedwick wrote:What Rev. Rice does takes a great level of dedication and all St. Louisans should be supportive of his attempts to help the homeless and less forunate in the area.

I cannot agree with this. When I was in need of shelter and food I was flatly turned away by NLEC, who openly told me after a profile survey that their donors were not interested in helping couples. Not quite as directly, I learned from several channels that receiving assistance from Rice would require I quit my job and agree to spend my time on the streets "increasing the visibility of the poverty problem."



Rice's energies do not go towards helping the less fortunate, they go to drawing attention to himself.

^ Ha, yeah. I just spent 30 minutes or so yesterday setting up the structure. There will be updates as the damning information comes in and is verified.



These are just some initial questions

- Where does Larry Rice reside? In a spartan location or a gated community in Chesterfield? (I've heard its the latter but am working on obtaining evidence.)

- What is his income from the non-profit New Life Evangelistic Center? (In a video by Fox 2 News, he stated he hasn't collected a paycheck in 36 years.)

- What are the assets held by the NLEC and what is the total value? (I hear the amount is sizable. If so, why does he not pay some employees? If so, why is his building still not up to code? If so, why is he pushing to build a 1 acre shanty-town in the middle of downtown that would serve to further de-humanize the homeless while gaining more donations from the elderly?)

- What percentage of donations are spent on "operating costs" as opposed to helping the homeless?



Remember kids, 501(c)(3) tax exempt status can be revoked. You can only pretend to be a god-fearing man for so long before the hammer of Thor smites you.

for real estate and personal property information in the county visit



http://revenue.stlouisco.com/



you can search by name or address for info about homes and cars and any other items that the county may want to tax.



I did a search awile back, but wasnt sure about an address or if I was looking

at the same individual,, so I didnt comment



If I am correct Larry or his son DONT LIKE TO PAY TAXES



look it up by name and tell me if I am correct..

citywatcher wrote:for real estate and personal property information in the county visit



http://revenue.stlouisco.com/



you can search by name or address for info about homes and cars and any other items that the county may want to tax.



I did a search awile back, but wasnt sure about an address or if I was looking

at the same individual,, so I didnt comment



If I am correct Larry or his son DONT LIKE TO PAY TAXES



look it up by name and tell me if I am correct..

Great info! What is his name? What is his son's name?



Below are the only Larry Rice's I see here: http://revenue.stlouisco.com/ias/



10G640181 10824 HALLSTEAD DR RICE LARRY G LORE H/W

16K230233 1444 TAMERTON AVE RICE LAURENCE & CRYSTAL JEAN

21T630296 15906 EAGLES LANDING CT RICE LAWRENCE M DONNA H/W

23J210243 7330 WHITEHALL COLONIAL LN RICE LAWRENCE P SUZANNE V H/W

Larry, Penny, Chris, Stephanie and Jennifer

Penny died in 2/21/2007



Here's some additional information:

http://pennyannrice.wordpress.com/

bprop wrote:

kujay wrote:


Based on reviews of 911 calls, Rice's property has been flagged in the past for such scrutiny. However, when city personnel realized what address it was, the order was to back off. Too much potentially bad PR for the mayor's office.

Was this reported in the P-D or some other news source? I don't recall that. I thought the mayor was actually pretty at-odds with Rice specifically.

It was not reported. Personal experience.



I don't know what Slay's relationship is with Rice. But somebody in city government got the idea, which was relayed to me, that he did not want the city to cause him problems. It may have been just that Slay didn't want the headache. That sort of thing.

kujay wrote:

bprop wrote:

kujay wrote:


Based on reviews of 911 calls, Rice's property has been flagged in the past for such scrutiny. However, when city personnel realized what address it was, the order was to back off. Too much potentially bad PR for the mayor's office.

Was this reported in the P-D or some other news source? I don't recall that. I thought the mayor was actually pretty at-odds with Rice specifically.

It was not reported. Personal experience.



I don't know what Slay's relationship is with Rice. But somebody in city government got the idea, which was relayed to me, that he did not want the city to cause him problems. It may have been just that Slay didn't want the headache. That sort of thing.

So somebody (the mayor?) made an order to back off of inspection of the NLEC? Who said this? I know sometimes people can't mention sources, but this sounds a lot like a friend-of-a-friend report that has gotten, at the very least, diluted along the way. It doesn't pass the smell test.

bprop wrote:

kujay wrote:

bprop wrote:

Was this reported in the P-D or some other news source? I don't recall that. I thought the mayor was actually pretty at-odds with Rice specifically.

It was not reported. Personal experience.



I don't know what Slay's relationship is with Rice. But somebody in city government got the idea, which was relayed to me, that he did not want the city to cause him problems. It may have been just that Slay didn't want the headache. That sort of thing.

So somebody (the mayor?) made an order to back off of inspection of the NLEC? Who said this? I know sometimes people can't mention sources, but this sounds a lot like a friend-of-a-friend report that has gotten, at the very least, diluted along the way. It doesn't pass the smell test.

Let me say it another way.



The City Counselor's Office, NSOs, alderman and the SLMPD monitor 911 calls. I'm sure you know this. If there are too many calls, the property comes to the attention of the CCO. They then issue a "cease and desist" letter. If the nuisance and/or violence calls do not stop or diminish, the occupancy permit for the property can be pulled by way of an administrative hearing. In the normal case of a rental property, the practical effect is that the slumlord sells the property.



What I'm telling you is that when the NLEC's address came to the attention of the CCO, a letter was not issued. Nothing was done. That's a fact. It's not secondhand and it's not diluted.



Now, I'm not telling you that Slay or his office gave a direct order to lay off. But it was understood in the CCO's office, and they must have gotten that idea from somewhere.

^ This has nothing to do with the topic of exposing the facts on Larry Rice. Could you please take it to the NLEC thread? Thanks.



By the way, Larry Rice and the NLEC are far from poor. According to federal court records circa 2004, they own $40-50 million in various assets. Oh and their program expenses amounted to $3 million however only $207,111 was spent on the homeless shelter. They spent 50% more on Channel 24 and 25 than helping the homeless.