Ha, I thought you guys were talking about THE boulevard and THF was a typo.
Incidentally, there was a special investigative report on, I think, NBC Nightly News, about Chesterfield Commons a couple of weeks ago during the height of the floods. It was about how the developers had spent millions of dollars upgrading the levee to protect Chesterfield Commons which was of course built in a flood plain (and which was under 12' of water in 1993), and which in turn causes areas across the river to flood where the levees have not been upgraded. I think the point was that then the gubment has to pay for the losses of the farmers and homeowners in those flooded areas.ThreeOneFour wrote:southsidepride wrote:^at the risk of sounding ignorant, what is THF Blvd?
No, that's not ignorant, although this may be a case where ignorance really is bliss IMHO:
THF Boulevard is the main entrance/outer road serving Chesterfield Commons, which is one of my most-hated developments in Greater St. Louis for many reasons.
The report mentioned several times that it was a suburb of St. Louis and that Chesterfield Commons - at two miles - was the longest strip mall in the world!
So, we've got that going for us at least...is there a link for this story?
Doug, where do I begin...Please tell me your "solution" to bring retail to MLK? I suggest immigrants, white, black, asian. YOU suggest ONLY black people.. how interesting, and racist. do they have a "claim" on the neighborhood? Then, let's go back even further, when whites lived on Easton, only Whites can "claim" this street. what a joke. bring back EVERYONE, have you been to the Loop, CWE, South Grand? looks pretty mixed to me.
Doug = urbanstl's most racist member.
Doug, where do I begin...Please tell me your "solution" to bring retail to MLK? I suggest immigrants, white, black, asian. YOU suggest ONLY black people.. how interesting, and racist. do they have a "claim" on the neighborhood? Then, let's go back even further, when whites lived on Easton, only Whites can "claim" this street. what a joke. bring back EVERYONE, have you been to the Loop, CWE, South Grand? looks pretty mixed to me.
Doug = urbanstl's most racist member.
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Would it help development if we gave MLK Ave a long Welch name?
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No.
No.
THF Blvd falls under the categorization of "nice" when compared to MLK
in terms of economic opportunity. There are more goods and services
available on THF serving Chesterfieldians than there are on MLK
serving Ville residents. This disparity did not result from free
markets.
Yes. I suggest we focus on strengthening black neighborhoods. We don't need to gentrify the Ville or other surrounding neighborhoods. We need to uplift existing residents and attract back the African American middle class. After the Fair Housing Act around 6 million left inner cities nationally. Local depopulation supports that aggregate. Such an exodus destabilized these areas.
What's the solution? Should the Hill be gentrified? Do you have a problem with its middle class Italian residents? These African American areas were as stable before suburbanization. These areas were far better off 50 years ago. But they were also non-white. They can be again. But it takes leaders willing to market such a proposal.
If others want to move in then fine, but the Ville, for example, is a historically black neighborhood. It's history is connected to the plight of African Americans. The last thing we need is a Starbucks on every corner and a preponderance of hipsters wearing Woody Allen sunglasses. I'd rather see more African American owned businesses opening which serve African American residents. If we could get local leaders to stop demolishing corner stores then maybe that will happen?
in terms of economic opportunity. There are more goods and services
available on THF serving Chesterfieldians than there are on MLK
serving Ville residents. This disparity did not result from free
markets.
Yes. I suggest we focus on strengthening black neighborhoods. We don't need to gentrify the Ville or other surrounding neighborhoods. We need to uplift existing residents and attract back the African American middle class. After the Fair Housing Act around 6 million left inner cities nationally. Local depopulation supports that aggregate. Such an exodus destabilized these areas.
What's the solution? Should the Hill be gentrified? Do you have a problem with its middle class Italian residents? These African American areas were as stable before suburbanization. These areas were far better off 50 years ago. But they were also non-white. They can be again. But it takes leaders willing to market such a proposal.
If others want to move in then fine, but the Ville, for example, is a historically black neighborhood. It's history is connected to the plight of African Americans. The last thing we need is a Starbucks on every corner and a preponderance of hipsters wearing Woody Allen sunglasses. I'd rather see more African American owned businesses opening which serve African American residents. If we could get local leaders to stop demolishing corner stores then maybe that will happen?
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Doug wrote:We don't need to gentrify the Ville or other surrounding neighborhoods. We need to uplift existing residents and attract back the African American middle class.
Does gentrification imply only an influx of white residents? If the black middle class returns to neighborhoods like The Ville, wouldn't that be gentrification? (Not trying to be smart-azz here, BTW)
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Doug wrote:The last thing we need is a Starbucks on every corner and a preponderance of hipsters wearing Woody Allen sunglasses.
I agree. That kind of environment might be construed as a "scene" by some people.
Seriously, you made a great point about THF Boulevard. If market forces were really at play, THF wouldn't have needed incentives at all. Of course, if TIF wasn't completely out of whack, public investment would've been geared toward commercial corridors like MLK Drive years ago instead of strip shopping centers that suburbs use to rob their neighboring communities.
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Shimmy wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but can someone define "hipster" for me?
To me a hipster is as easily defined as a scene, so I'm going to let someone else give it a try.
^Been beaten to death already:
HipsterHandbook.com
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HipsterHandbook.com
WaterInAMeshBucket.comClues You Are a Hipster
* You graduated from a liberal arts school whose football team hasn't won a game since the Reagan Administration.
* You frequently use the term 'postmodern' (or its commonly used variation 'PoMo') as an adjective, noun, and verb.
* You carry a shoulder-strap messenger-bag and have at one time or another worn a pair of horn-rimmed or Elvis Costello-style glasses.
* You spend much of your leisure time in bars and restaurants with monosyllabic names like Plant, Bound, and Shine.
* You bought your dishes and a checkered tablecloth at a thrift shop to be kitschy, and often throw vegetarian dinner parties.
* You have one Republican friend whom you always describe as being your 'one Republican friend.'
* You enjoy complaining about gentrification even though you are responsible for it yourself.
* Your hair looks best unwashed and you position your head on your pillow at night in a way that will really maximize your cowlicks.
* You own records put out by Matador, DFA, Definitive Jux, Dischord, Warp, Thrill Jockey, Smells Like Records, and Drag City.
Hipsters are basically rebellious yuppies. Clarification: hipsters try to be everything a yuppie isn’t (entitled, conformist, and materialistic), but ironically in their quest to separate themselves they end up being homogenous and pretentious just like yuppies.
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jlblues wrote:^Been beaten to death already:
HipsterHandbook.com
WaterInAMeshBucket.comClues You Are a Hipster
*You graduated from a liberal arts school whose football team hasn't won a game since the Reagan Administration.
*You frequently use the term 'postmodern' (or its commonly used variation 'PoMo') as an adjective, noun, and verb.
*You carry a shoulder-strap messenger-bag and have at one time or another worn a pair of horn-rimmed or Elvis Costello-style glasses.
* You spend much of your leisure time in bars and restaurants with monosyllabic names like Plant, Bound, and Shine.
* You bought your dishes and a checkered tablecloth at a thrift shop to be kitschy, and often throw vegetarian dinner parties.
* You have one Republican friend whom you always describe as being your 'one Republican friend.'
* You enjoy complaining about gentrification even though you are responsible for it yourself.
*Your hair looks best unwashed and you position your head on your pillow at night in a way that will really maximize your cowlicks.
Hipsters are basically rebellious yuppies. Clarification: hipsters try to be everything a yuppie isn’t (entitled, conformist, and materialistic), but ironically in their quest to separate themselves they end up being homogenous and pretentious just like yuppies.
LOL! Bingo!
^Although I think the one on the left is technically a hipster doofus.
More from the Hipster Handbook:
More from the Hipster Handbook:
Working is a necessary evil reserved for the masses which by definition the Hipster is not a part. Work is avoided at all costs for it is truly "bohemian" to be an artist and stay at home creating art. In fact, the goal of a true Hipster is to not work at all. Work is an antiquated notion dear to an older generation.
Similar to eskimos who have 8 different terms for the word "snow," the Hipster has many terms for receiving a check from the parents:
1. getting the cush
2. picking the berries
3. waxing Oedipal
4. parimony (sometimes daddimony)
5. changing the diaper
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* You carry a shoulder-strap messenger-bag and have at one time or another worn a pair of horn-rimmed or Elvis Costello-style glasses.
Guilty of both. Oh noes!!!
And this one too...DeBaliviere wrote:* You carry a shoulder-strap messenger-bag and have at one time or another worn a pair of horn-rimmed or Elvis Costello-style glasses.
Guilty of both. Oh noes!!!
Yep, you are clearly a hipster (an hipster?).* You graduated from a liberal arts school whose football team hasn't won a game since the Reagan Administration.
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jlblues wrote:And this one too...DeBaliviere wrote:* You carry a shoulder-strap messenger-bag and have at one time or another worn a pair of horn-rimmed or Elvis Costello-style glasses.
Guilty of both. Oh noes!!!
Yep, you are clearly a hipster (an hipster?).* You graduated from a liberal arts school whose football team hasn't won a game since the Reagan Administration.
Make that the Truman Administration.
Shimmy wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but can someone define "hipster" for me?
The metro east probably didn't get hippies until the 80's. So, I don't think people will catch on to the hipster phase for another 5 or 10 years at the least. I mean, we're still phasing out on the Judah's Priest fans.
Xing wrote:Shimmy wrote:Pardon my ignorance, but can someone define "hipster" for me?
The metro east probably didn't get hippies until the 80's. So, I don't think people will catch on to the hipster phase for another 5 or 10 years at the least. I mean, we're still phasing out on the Judah's Priest fans.
But Judah's Priest didn't have a triangle player (hopefully someone went to the Foo Fighters concert and gets it). I think the Metro East has always been too blue collar to allow for hipsters and yuppies. But, that's changing.
Judah's Priest?
Not too familiar with late 70's/early '80s metal, or the Bible for that matter, are we?
Not too familiar with late 70's/early '80s metal, or the Bible for that matter, are we?jlblues wrote:Judah's Priest?
Haha. No, I know, I know. I just saw an opportunity and thought someone might have been there, in which case they would have got it eventhough it was a slight play on words. But, apparently not. I know it's Judas Priest, silly.
But for that matter, the 80's is a decade in music that I try to skip for the sake of my ears.
Actually I think hipsters are big on 80's music... maybe not so much the 80's metal.
I'm cool with most 80's music.
I'm cool with most 80's music.
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Xing wrote:Actually I think hipsters are big on 80's music... maybe not so much the 80's metal.
I'm cool with most 80's music.
Most of it sucked. Which is true for any decade.
"90% of everything is crap" - Theodore Sturgeon
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:Xing wrote:Actually I think hipsters are big on 80's music... maybe not so much the 80's metal.
I'm cool with most 80's music.
Most of it sucked. Which is true for any decade.
"90% of everything is crap" - Theodore Sturgeon
Well, Theodore Sturgeon never met me.
