2018 SEC Men's Basketball Tournament

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St. Louis is hosting the 2018 SEC Men's basketball tournament in a month, March 7th-11th at the Scottrrade Center.
This a a huge deal for the City, especially Downtown.

Just curious why I've not heard much of anything about this in the media.

https://stlsports.org/special-event/sec ... asketball/
They don't want to publicize it because they don't want to tip off the downtown troublemakers/miscreants who may want to rob and holdup our SEC visitors.
^^It's a little early for the media to focus on Conference Championship basketball. There's over a month and a half of regular season basketball left. There will be much coverage once the Olympics are over and they're looking for stories.
I'm kind of curious how Arch Madness (which will be Mar 1-4) will draw now that Wichita State left the MVC... they brought a horde of folks to town.
Usually, local sports talk radio and the Frank Cusamanos of the world are all over this way in advance. I've heard more talk about the MVC Tournament lately. You'd think there would be TV and radio ads trying to push tickets.
^ I think most of the ticket pushing is happening in markets of other SEC schools
^True, unlike the MVC, the SEC doesn't need locals to fill the arena. SEC fans will travel very well. No knock on the MVC. SEC schools have larger fan bases.

I just thought there'd be enough seats available to market to locals. Guess we'll see as it gets closer.
STLrainbow wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:20 am
I'm kind of curious how Arch Madness (which will be Mar 1-4) will draw now that Wichita State left the MVC... they brought a horde of folks to town.
Wichita State left: that's gonna hurt. Creighton leaving was also a bad hit.
Not only did the Bluejays and Shockers have great traveling fanbases, but replacing them with a Chicago and Chicagoland school was probably the worst possible outcome for Arch Madness attendance.
DogtownBnR wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:38 am
I just thought there'd be enough seats available to market to locals. Guess we'll see as it gets closer.
Having witnessed the change the SEC made in Columbia . . . no. Probably not. During SEC games the town felt like UMC/Nebraska games used to feel. (Though with more pearls. Pearls. At sporting events. Only in the south.) I expect they'll fill the hall without us. And that's fine.
I could be wrong, but I think other than the premier matchups and Mizzou games (assuming they remain an above average bunch), we will need local support.

I base this off of my experiences going to Big Ten Tournaments in both Chicago and Indianapolis. Big Ten fanbases are huge and travel well, but ultimately, the majority of the fans are from the semi-local school (Illinois for Chicago, Indiana for Indianapolis) and the top tier schools. (Illinois used to pack the house when I was going because they were outstanding back then.) But the numbers tend to dwindle with certain games or if those fanbases aren't motivated to show up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure this is going to be good for business as they say, but I wouldn't assume a full house necessarily. A traveling Kentucky fan base and a motivated Mizzou fanbase are the best hopes for filling it all weekend.
The SEC and the MVC tournament’s are going to provide a much needed boost for downtown bars and restaurants. Hopefully patrons visit mom and pops, not BPV.


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wabash wrote:
Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:39 pm
Not only did the Bluejays and Shockers have great traveling fanbases, but replacing them with a Chicago and Chicagoland school was probably the worst possible outcome for Arch Madness attendance.
Why are "Chicago and Chicagoland school" the worst possible outcome for Arch Madness attendance?
I don't know about the Chicagoland factor, but just in terms of fanbases, the two newcomers are awful.
They're both at the bottom of the attendance standings, by a distant margin. Valpo is fielding a poor team this year, but Loyola is likely going to win the league while simultaneously finishing last in attendance.
Loyola averages 2232, and Valparaiso is averaging 2699. The current MVC average home attendance is 3828.
The MVC isn't even opening the upper bowl for Arch Madness this year.

As for the SEC, Kentucky will obviously bring thousands, as will Mizzou. The others (maybe Arkansas excepted?), will bring hundreds, right? I would think local attendance would be needed.
eee123 wrote:
Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:22 pm
I don't know about the Chicagoland factor, but just in terms of fanbases, the two newcomers are awful.
They're both at the bottom of the attendance standings, by a distant margin. Valpo is fielding a poor team this year, but Loyola is likely going to win the league while simultaneously finishing last in attendance.
Loyola averages 2232, and Valparaiso is averaging 2699. The current MVC average home attendance is 3828.
The MVC isn't even opening the upper bowl for Arch Madness this year.

As for the SEC, Kentucky will obviously bring thousands, as will Mizzou. The others (maybe Arkansas excepted?), will bring hundreds, right? I would think local attendance would be needed.
Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.
Anybody attend the games this past week/weekend? How was the attendance and away fans presence, especially compared to the MVC the weekend before.
15,000-19,000 per game.

A lot of Kentucky fans
Missouri losing to a bad Georgia team in its first game probably didn't help attendance and it sucked some of the excitement of the tournament from the local perspective. Mizzou vs Kentucky would have been a friday game if mizzou didnt lose the day before, that would have been a packed house.

Walking around downtown during the day i really didnt notice much of a change from any other week. It was kinda cold last week, maybe that contributed to lack of people walking around
I have heard the number 103,733 for the tournament total. I think that is a good number since Mizzou fans bailed in mass after the disappointing loss to GA. I bet that number would have far exceeded last year if Mizzou had won a game or two. KY fans travel well and really helped STL sell tickets.

Most recent totals:

2017 - 105158 Nash
2016 - 105799 Nash
2015 - 106521 Nash
2014 - 183665 GA Dome
2013 - 90295 Nash (UK 1&done Fri)
2012 - 154526 New Orleans
2011 - 197385 GA Dome
2010 - 191852 Nash

https://www.secrant.com/rant/sec-footba ... /75819795/

Not saying SEC Rant Forum is a great place to get a sample of SEC fan perception, but this site seemed to be full of fans complaining it was in STL. I think they have a hard time with change, not to mention "how could they have the tournament in yankee country!". I think most fans that made the trek loved STL from what I saw on the local news here. The primary legit complaint about STL is the fact that it is not a central location for all of the schools. Nashville is the best geographical location. If you are REALLY bored, scroll down the threads from the last week. Not a great perception of STL on this board. Then again, a lot of the stuff on this site is quite juvenile so take it with a grain of salt.

Also, did anyone notice the Florida Gators billboards around town? That is pretty cool.
DogtownBnR wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:13 pm
I have heard the number 103,733 for the tournament total. I think that is a good number since Mizzou fans bailed in mass after the disappointing loss to GA. I bet that number would have far exceeded last year if Mizzou had won a game or two. KY fans travel well and really helped STL sell tickets.

Most recent totals:

2017 - 105158 Nash
2016 - 105799 Nash
2015 - 106521 Nash
2014 - 183665 GA Dome
2013 - 90295 Nash (UK 1&done Fri)
2012 - 154526 New Orleans
2011 - 197385 GA Dome
2010 - 191852 Nash

https://www.secrant.com/rant/sec-footba ... /75819795/

Not saying SEC Rant Forum is a great place to get a sample of SEC fan perception, but this site seemed to be full of fans complaining it was in STL. I think they have a hard time with change, not to mention "how could they have the tournament in yankee country!". I think most fans that made the trek loved STL from what I saw on the local news here. The primary legit complaint about STL is the fact that it is not a central location for all of the schools. Nashville is the best geographical location. If you are REALLY bored, scroll down the threads from the last week. Not a great perception of STL on this board. Then again, a lot of the stuff on this site is quite juvenile so take it with a grain of salt.

Also, did anyone notice the Florida Gators billboards around town? That is pretty cool.

Was there a forum discussion in those 3 pages of god knows what? But yea I agree if Mizzou had made it further the numbers would be higher. It's more like SEC in general things of St. Louis but hopefully they liked it
I don't blame fans for being frustrated with the Geography. The Big Ten used to have their tournament in Indianapolis or Chicago every year. Central to most of the conference with large local fanbases to draw from.

Then they add Maryland and Rutgers for TV purposes and have the bright idea to put the tournament in DC one year and NYC the next. Attendance suffered massively, especially this year. (It probably didn't help that so much of the Big Ten was underachieving this year.)

Sounds like STL drew pretty decent for the SEC consider it's place in the geography of the conference.
Here are the attendance figures. Would have been more is Mizzou played better. Typical Mizzou

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At 188K+, that would put us way higher than Nashville. Do we know if the SEC has selected where they will go next year? Maybe this is something we could get for the next several years.
Chalupas54 wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:28 pm
At 188K+, that would put us way higher than Nashville. Do we know if the SEC has selected where they will go next year? Maybe this is something we could get for the next several years.

It's in Nashville the next three years and Tampa the following year.

https://www.secticketoffice.com/events/secmbb.html
^It's booked in Nashville through 2025, except 2022 when it will be in Tampa.

It'd still be nice to host it on a 12-15 year rotation with some of the other rotational hosts Tampa, Atlanta, New Orleans, maybe Louisville, etc...
I think if it were up to UK's coach Calipari the tournament would be here every year. He's a big fan of Cunetto's in the Hill. (Thank god they didn't do a one and done like Mizzou or it would've been really sad over the weekend.)

Also from the looks of it, I think there were more people at Art in Bloom than there were for the Arch Madness final.