Northside-Southside Metrolink

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Do I like the route snaking through downtown? Definitely not.

Do I prefer just running this thing on Gravois to Tucker to Natural Bridge? 100%

Is running this down Jefferson and transferring at a new Red/Blue station at Jefferson just as fast as snaking through downtown? Potentially. But a one seat ride from Downtown to Cherokee St (for instance) is much more important than you'd think. Suggesting a transfer is a great example of planning from 10,000 feet. Looks good on a map, terrible on foot.

As for why the buses don't run though downtown anymore, should we tear out CityGarden or the Wainwright addition and move our primary bus transfer station there. YES, 100%, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD YES.
While I give this line my full support, I am puzzled why the Jefferson NGA route goes down Delmar instead of Washington Ave. In my opinion, nothing would reactivate that corridor faster than running Metro right through the heart of one of our most built up streets in downtown. Just look at what the KC streetcar has done to the Main Street corridor. Plus, Wash Ave and Delmar are similar widths. It just makes more sense.
GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:12 pm
While I give this line my full support, I am puzzled why the Jefferson NGA route goes down Delmar instead of Washington Ave. In my opinion, nothing would reactivate that corridor faster than running Metro right through the heart of one of our most built up streets in downtown. Just look at what the KC streetcar has done to the Main Street corridor. Plus, Wash Ave and Delmar are similar widths. It just makes more sense.
I think running it down Olive would be the best thing to happen.
goat314 wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:19 pm
GoHarvOrGoHome wrote:
Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:12 pm
While I give this line my full support, I am puzzled why the Jefferson NGA route goes down Delmar instead of Washington Ave. In my opinion, nothing would reactivate that corridor faster than running Metro right through the heart of one of our most built up streets in downtown. Just look at what the KC streetcar has done to the Main Street corridor. Plus, Wash Ave and Delmar are similar widths. It just makes more sense.
I think running it down Olive would be the best thing to happen.
And… now we're officially re-litigating the Northside-Southside alternatives analysis.
As I recall, the Olive/Jefferson option was the locally preferred alternative, yet was rejected for cost, time or some other reason. I do tend to think though that it would be a missed opportunity to provide Old North with light rail.
PeterXCV wrote:
Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:05 am
I do tend to think though that it would be a missed opportunity to provide Old North with light rail.
That's why I'm a fan of the new St. Louis Ave alternative. Still serves Old North and St. Louis Place well, while also connecting to NGA. TOD opportunities abound with that alignment.
I still think City is way behind in its thinking. Realistically it will also be decade or more before N-S becomes reality & well after County makes sure that metrolink expansion happens in county first. So its time to admit the KC did things right recently and time to embrace a low floor modern streetcar plan for city that encourage north south development that compliments existing metrolink/central corridor as noted some of the posts over on nextstl.

My two picks for about 6-8 miles of street running, first one is a no brainer

1) Why hasn't the city put together a Grand Ave BRT or streetcar plan and engineering together??? This north south corridor has strong institutions, great public park, cultural center, a new half billion dollar hospital on top of the VA to the north not to mention an expanding international company who wants to anchor more development on top of Green Streets plan for Armory going forward. Not thinking big on Grand Ave is a huge missed opportunity on part of the city and a Grand Ave streetcar is doable and much more affordable in near term. Tie it in with an at grade FPP & Grand intersection.

2) Maybe a north south streetcar through downtown running on along a line drawn from new NGA to the old NGA or essemtially connecting downtown with the new NGA to the north and Soulard/Bud/Lemp to sought while making it sure it passes 14th street transit center/Amtrak as well as Nestle/Purina campus. Like Peter noted the area on north side ripe for TOD as well as the fact that you would connect it with an area of significant development already happening in Soulards & a major corporate employer who has been city friendly the day that Purina was bought out. This streetcar alignment would essentially create an x with a future N-S alignment.