Ballpark Village

Downtown construction activity, including hotel projects, major renovations, office projects, streetscape improvements, etc.
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Great news!
PwC or not its a company thats not bolting out of Downtown
Will keep my fingers crossed and hope the best.
Downtown is very fortunate to keep PwC even if they're relocating within Downtown its a plus as i much rather see musical chairs with companies moving within Downtown than out in fact i wouldnt mind seeing from Downtown to Midtown become a earnings tax free zone maybe even North St.Louis at some point.
Downtown is the heartbeat of all of St.Louis including Clayton keeping retaining and welcoming new employers is more than important.
Maybe this will be the antidote that all of Downtown needs to get things moving?
can't wait to see dirt moving!
St.Louis1764 wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:03 am
Maybe this will be the antidote that all of Downtown needs to get things moving?
can't wait to see dirt moving!
A company not leaving downtown is the catalyst to get things moving again?
bprop wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:35 am
St.Louis1764 wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:03 am
Maybe this will be the antidote that all of Downtown needs to get things moving?
can't wait to see dirt moving!
A company not leaving downtown is the catalyst to get things moving again?
I believe 1764 was referring more so to the construction of new office space and a new residential tower, and thus bringing in some much needed positive news to get people interested.
Does the article say anything about the size of Phase II? Is it still what we've seen in the renderings, or have they scaled-back anything?
framer wrote:Does the article say anything about the size of Phase II? Is it still what we've seen in the renderings, or have they scaled-back anything?

"The project will include a 29-story apartment tower that includes 296 units, 900 new parking spaces, 60,000 square feet of retail space and a 100,000-square-foot Class A office building. "
moorlander wrote:
Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:37 pm
framer wrote:Does the article say anything about the size of Phase II? Is it still what we've seen in the renderings, or have they scaled-back anything?

"The project will include a 29-story apartment tower that includes 296 units, 900 new parking spaces, 60,000 square feet of retail space and a 100,000-square-foot Class A office building. "
Where does the parking go?
^ I assume residential might be tower on top of platform/garage like 212 S Meramec in Clayton
Sounds like just some tweaking to the October Phase 2 announcement so site plan and renderings probably very similar to what we've seen... so I believe that still means underground parking beneath the office.

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http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/stl/ba ... ge/phase2/

I assume there still will be surface space along the northern strip fronting Walnut that eventually would be redeveloped in future phases. (The NW corner looks like is where hotel may be under consideration.)
The site plan still shows the shadow and outline of the building at 8th and Walnut. I think that is weird considering how the Cardinals and the Cordish Companies are keeping quiet on that block. It seems odd. We’ve seen the renderings for it, it is in the site plan, so why not announce it?

In response to the post above, I couldn’t find anything different about the announcement and the latest information.
* I wouldn't doubt they are getting close on that but just don't have things yet to the point where they feel comfortable announcing; I think a more cautious approach is warranted given their past history of jumping the gun.
I'm praying that these apartments get leased up real quick so that they might be a little more ambitious on the next phase. Like 400+ ft ambitious.
I wonder what is going on with this? Didn't they apply for a zoning permit? Also, wonder why we haven't heard or seen anything else since mid July when they stated that they would break ground at the end of the year. New Renderings? Tenants announced? Anything?
chriss752 wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:43 am
I wonder what is going on with this? Didn't they apply for a zoning permit? Also, wonder why we haven't heard or seen anything else since mid July when they stated that they would break ground at the end of the year. New Renderings? Tenants announced? Anything?
None of that tangible evidence stuff has happened but Jack Coatar has said that they'll break ground after the baseball season ends. That being said, they haven't even done test drilling yet and I don't think they did before they poured the parking lot. Soooo they'll spend most of the winter designing the foundation and we might have an actual ground breaking byyyyy March? Hopefully that's pessimistic.
At least they'll have an extra month of offseason to work with.

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*sigh*
aprice wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:15 pm
chriss752 wrote:
Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:43 am
I wonder what is going on with this? Didn't they apply for a zoning permit? Also, wonder why we haven't heard or seen anything else since mid July when they stated that they would break ground at the end of the year. New Renderings? Tenants announced? Anything?
None of that tangible evidence stuff has happened but Jack Coatar has said that they'll break ground after the baseball season ends. That being said, they haven't even done test drilling yet and I don't think they did before they poured the parking lot. Soooo they'll spend most of the winter designing the foundation and we might have an actual ground breaking byyyyy March? Hopefully that's pessimistic.
They did a fair amount of core drilling back in March-- at least on the site of the planned office tower.
Well now that we are out of the race for the Title (Cubs took us out), maybe they can announce the groundbreaking. If there is no post season, then why not start earlier.
chriss752 wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:01 am
Well now that we are out of the race for the Title (Cubs took us out), maybe they can announce the groundbreaking. If there is no post season, then why not start earlier.
Most likely. From what I have read they do seem very intent on breaking ground by years end. Then again, we are approaching a year since this updated development was announced. Compared to other phases, this has moved faster than others.
Am I the only one concerned about Arch views from the ballpark? This will obviously block a great view for a lot of fans, especially those sitting north of the 3rd base line. I understand that they want to give apartments views of home plate but I'd still prefer towers elsewhere and mid-rise buildings to preserve sight lines.

But then again, I'd alway rather see four 10 story buildings than one 40 story building.

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This plan view makes me feel a little bit better. Still just seems to dominate an otherwise very diverse view of downtown.

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I would rather see ~300 new residential units downtown than preserve my sight lines of the Arch from 3rd. However, as stated in the post directly above me, I do not think this will interfere with views of the Arch from the stadium to a huge degree.
newstl2020 wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:58 am
I would rather see ~300 new residential units downtown than preserve my sight lines of the Arch from 3rd. However, as stated in the post directly above me, I do not think this will interfere with views of the Arch from the stadium to a huge degree.
Agreed. I also would just rather see Downtown, especially south of Market, develop. Not sure that seeing the Arch really matters to me, though it is a neat view I suppose.
I'd like to see our prominent skyline sites get developed with tall buildings.
I agree with framer. Better views will be available throughout the city, best to maximize the height potential of the cbd


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Because Washington D.C., Paris, and London have soooo many skyscrapers. Again, I'm not anti-skyscraper, I'm just in the school of thought that they're just not as good for cities as people think they are. And as for "I'd rather see 300 housing units than an arch view" my point is that the two are not mutually exclusive. An arch view from the stadium and a view of home plate from your apartment are mutually exclusive, however. And I'd rather maintain the skyline view from the stadium than have a hand full of apartments I'll never step foot in with home plate views.

I'd rather the 30 story tower at Clark & 8th, and the 10 story building at Clark & Bway.
I don't even care. Just build something.